Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hasn2009]

Reasons why we don't have any captured talibunnys

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[Be dazzled]

Type 59M achieving kill over t55 brings nostalgia. The so called once superior Soviet model was blown away but a supposedly inferior Sino/Pak modified copy. Leave other dynamics like FCS and ammo crew training etc aside, tank vs tank battle is analogous to dogfights of the old.

 

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Mullah should not have been so desperate to shake hands with مشرکین .
I said it before
Pakistan is hybrid regime
Mullah is full fascist regime

yeah buddy, we are Alhamdulillah doing pretty fine geostrategically and economically, thanks for your concern but keep the politically motivated commentaries to yourself, this Chooran is not very effective anymore. Thanks for your concern.

 

[maverik]

I may get criticized for this, but I am saying it without any hard feelings or strong emotions. By the time Berlin fell in World War II, the Americans were already exhausted from fighting and had suffered enormous losses of men and resources. Their next big challenge was Japan. The Japanese were a people who would kill themselves rather than be captured by the enemy. The Americans knew the cost of a full conquest would be an enormous amount of American blood, so they chose a different option: to remove the fighting soul out of the Japanese population!. To this day, the Japanese remain averse to fighting. Whether you agree with the choice or not, history has presented us with similar options, and it is up to our military to decide what to do. The second option is our best bet, especially now that no one is allied with Afghanistan.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

They have so much internal turmoil they are very busy with, containing does work with them.
India can say what it wants, they talk BS day and night. The key thing here is to leverage and there are plenty of options. Iran and Tajikistan are also on the same page. I can only hope the decision makers come to more sense.

Well, if it was all in a vacuum and rational decision makers at helm in Afghanistan than that would be the go-to...
Unfortunately it is not... the signaling done by Mutaqi was also not very conducive... worse yet... no government in waiting exists... and if money is a motivating factor which it almost always is... than Afghan foreign policy will always be up for grabs to highest bidder. It's flip side, conscientious and objective is swayed by hubris of ethnic or historical grandstanding... something very easy to inflate.

Besides they knew the optics of playing into Indian hands will backfire... instead they opened fire... which I'm sure Indians did not want at this point in time... but such are the hot heads cannot walk the delicate act of walking the tight rope... so now they're most likely in for the long haul. Again something where Pakistan as customary, kick the can down the road... well

 

[Meengla]

In our current situation, India on one side, Afghanistan on other and an active war, I think army is doing equally fine in this department ... because, I have followed so many 'revolutions' in Middle East countries, the one mistake they all made, was to try to absolutely block the 'anti-state narrative' suddenly, which the enemy always deceptively piggybacks on a genuine issue (mostly 'corruption' in almost all cases as its the most relatable and does not need much concreate proofs), which then boils up. In our case the Army has maintained a very fine balance of halting the narrative to controlled levels since 2023, while suppressing the occasional violence to the point that it does not work anymore now.

I have seen and read so much material on this and the only accepted way that most experts recommend to control this scenario is to control the flow of narrative very carefully (block unblock social Media, allow Youtubers to leave the country then ban them, etc, etc, and other stuff) so people get frustrated and tired of it all. Or get on with their lives and stop caring.

Suddenly blocking propagandas like these lead to bad consequences and things are left cemented into people's brains. This might seem counterintuitive, one would think that if it is allowed to continue, it will cement more, but in these most experts say that you need to wane off the attraction of the 'mole' as you said and there is no better way to do it than the expression 'yeh tou bolta he rehta hey'. Just like a rehab, people have to be naturally allowed to get off the bandwagon, until there is very little impact of the 5th Gen warfare left out and people stop being enemies of their own state.

Humans can only have only so much of an attention span, after all. I think our army is doing pretty well in all depts, geo strategically too, exemplary performance Alhamdulillah and from all that I have learned, they are really managing the 5th Gen war very prudently, exactly as its ought to be managed.

Wow!
Much food for thought and I am busy but bookmarked this. Thanks!

 

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I may get criticized for this, but I am saying it without any hard feelings or strong emotions. By the time Berlin fell in World War II, the Americans were already exhausted from fighting and had suffered enormous losses of men and resources. Their next big challenge was Japan. The Japanese were a people who would kill themselves rather than be captured by the enemy. The Americans knew the cost of a full conquest would be an enormous amount of American blood, so they chose a different option: to remove the fighting soul out of the Japanese population!. To this day, the Japanese remain averse to fighting. Whether you agree with the choice or not, history has presented us with similar options, and it is up to our military to decide what to do. The second option is our best bet, especially now that no one is allied with Afghanistan.

At least Taliban's military infra needs to be fully decimated ! Look at Russia, everyone agrees that Russia should have been able to cut off Ukraine into half, in about 3 days at max, they advanced hundreds of miles in, no issue.

But ! Russia hesitated to totally decimate Ukrainian army, planes, airfields, military installations, etc, etc when Ukraine had no capability in the first 2 - 3 days. Russia's rationale was that "they do not want to damage Ukrainans as they are their Salvic brothers"

Then Russia agreed to a ceasefire and Ukraine used it to quickly arm itself to the teeth and dig in, to the point that they have made daily life hell for Russia for 3 years now and Russia can hardly move a few kilometers a year at best.

In the last week of browsing through Afghan Social Media, about every Afghan hates us to the guts. We are dealing with textbook definition of enemies and its a mistake to give them more chances. they already hate us, we have nothing to lose, we should just go in and destroy their military. Even the world will not blame us. Who could ever get that chance ? Not sure what the point of this ceasefire is.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Goenitz]

I may get criticized for this, but I am saying it without any hard feelings or strong emotions. By the time Berlin fell in World War II, the Americans were already exhausted from fighting and had suffered enormous losses of men and resources. Their next big challenge was Japan. The Japanese were a people who would kill themselves rather than be captured by the enemy. The Americans knew the cost of a full conquest would be an enormous amount of American blood, so they chose a different option: to remove the fighting soul out of the Japanese population!. To this day, the Japanese remain averse to fighting. Whether you agree with the choice or not, history has presented us with similar options, and it is up to our military to decide what to do. The second option is our best bet, especially now that no one is allied with Afghanistan.

1. It can be true to some limit. Afghans must feel physical pressure to behave properly, so this punishment was due in some sense. Though I believe we started it overtly while they covertly supported TTP. I am not sure whether we could respond in the same manner, and on top, we didn't keep quiet.
2. No. Such a weapon/war needs political wisdom.
3. Nah. We are not Israel. Also, it will be a perfect excuse to de-cunlearise us, especially when we say these are meant for deterrence.

@all, some ethnic Indian caught for spying in the US?

 

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LOL The first 30 seconds are gold

and its funnier coz its all actually true

 

[Night Memory]

At least Taliban's military infra needs to be fully decimated ! Look at Russia, everyone agrees that Russia should have been able to cut off Ukraine into half, in about 3 days at max, they advanced hundreds of miles in, no issue.

But ! Russia hesitated to totally decimate Ukrainian army, planes, airfields, military installations, etc, etc when Ukraine had no capability in the first 2 - 3 days. Russia's rationale was that "they do not want to damage Ukrainans as they are their Salvic brothers"

Then Russia agreed to a ceasefire and Ukraine used it to quickly arm itself to the teeth and dig in, to the point that they have made daily life hell for Russia for 3 years now and Russia can hardly move a few kilometers a year at best.

In the last week of browsing through Afghan Social Media, about every Afghan hates us to the guts. We are dealing with textbook definition of enemies and its a mistake to give them more chances. they already hate us, we have nothing to lose, we should just go in and destroy their military. Even the world will not blame us. Who could ever get that chance ? Not sure what the point of this ceasefire is.

Great points, and one key thing everyone is missing out is that they agreed to ceasefire at the same time their FM returned from India. God knows who was on that flight. Im pretty sure it must have been a plane full of indians.

How did we miss this?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Type 59M achieving kill over t55 brings nostalgia. The so called once superior Soviet model was blown away but a supposedly inferior Sino/Pak modified copy. Leave other dynamics like FCS and ammo crew training etc aside, tank vs tank battle is analogous to dogfights of the old.

Don't forget to mention our old stock of ANZA by KRL.
We took head shots of ........ .

 

[Maarkhoor]

LOL The first 30 seconds are gold

and its funnier coz its all actually true

Be patient to listen it full.

 

[Trailer23]

@krash sb

The sensible ones were cheering India and USA's ouster from Afghanistan. And we stand by it.

But now I see many Pakistani members rooting for US getting Bagram back!

Regards

Two Things...

1. At the time it was Imran Khan's Govt. He was against Pakistan getting involved in Afghanistan from the get go - and i'm talking about 2001.

Do you think if today another Political Party (Congress) would come in Power, it would have entirely different policy towards Pakistan?

2. Since we pretty much brokered the deal between Afghanistan/USA in Qatar, its fair to say that we hoped that they would've learned their lesson and not go back on their word.

Anyone here remember the promises the Taliban made in the first 48hrs after they came in Power...? If memory serves, a female Journalist from TOLO News asked about women (in general). How many lashes should that SOB get for lying on National Television?

 

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Be patient to listen it full.

AHAHAH man, this was worth the whole of last 4 months !

Everyone should take out 10 mins to listen to this

Special thanks to the auntie, jisne Modi kou dhoo dhoo ker maara hey.

Thank you for sharing this gem