Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Alert: Hordes of North-Korean Bumkissers inbound.

Never understood, why these e-communists have an obsession with Iran? They can celebrate the 15 Billion USD GDP of food and internet less DPRK somewhere else except for Iranian threads.

 

[ShapurII]

هیچ‌کس تو روابط بین‌الملل دوست واقعی نیست

ایران مجبور شد روسیه رو قانع کنه که بیاد تو جنگ سوریه، وگرنه اسد تموم بود. روس‌ اون موقع تو مینسک با غرب مذاکره می‌کردن، دلیلی نداشتن بیان سمت ایران

قرارداد، قرارداده بین دوست و دشمن نیست، بین دو طرفه..... آمریکا با ترور سلیمانی عملاً پاره‌اش کرد و اروپا هم ازش حمایت کرد

ایران از همه فریب خورده... از آمریکا، اروپا، روسیه، چین و حتی اتحادیه عرب

این حرف‌ها بدیهی و بی‌ربط به بحث هست

خیانت مفهوم کاملاً مشخصی داره
خیانت یعنی زمانی که یک فردی که با تو روابط نزدیک و خوبی داره علیه منافع تو کار کنه

تعریفش کامل مشخص هست و در انگلیسی و فارسی هم یکی هست
این تعریف برای اروپا و آمریکا صدق نمی‌کنه چون این کشورها دوست ایران نبودن بعد از انقلاب
اما در مورد روسیه کاملاً صادق هست چون ۳۰ سال هست روابط به قول یه سری استراتژیک داریم

همونطوری که گفتم ترور سلیمانی هیچ ربطی به برجام نداره چون بعد از خروج آمریکا از برجام انجام شد
آمریکا سال ۲۰۱۸ از برجام خارج شد و ترور سلیمانی ۲ سال بعد تو ۲۰۲۰ اتفاق افتاد

اگه قرار به خیانت باشه، در واقع ایران بود که اول به آمریکا خیانت کرد. زمانی که سفارت آمریکا رو اشغال کردیم سفیر آمریکا تو ایران داشت راجع به توسعه کشاورزی با دولت وقت صحبت می‌کرد

 

[ShapurII]

Zarif and Lavrov are in a weird blame game beef right now, I am not really interested in what either of them have to say. in any case, it was Zarif's responsibility to look after Iran's interests so I don't find his attempts to blame everything on Lavrov credible or relevant

Yes, I know that but it is good that the truth is finally being spoken.
Some people need to realize that Russia will never miss an opportunity to weaken Iran, even when the international circumstances align our interests by chance.

 

[ShapurII]

His entire argument is that only Russia betrayed Iran while I say everyone did. Russia, China (both supported Sanctions), US (Bombing, Soleimani), EU (Snapback), PGCC (Iran Israel conflict). Why single out Russia or choose enemies? there are no friends or enemies in international relations. Only a fool will call Russia a friend considering what they did to Iranian Map but in recent times their actions are limited to fair level exploitation (INSTC, Caspian Sea waters, Drones TOT, supporting sanctions, taking $ not delivering weapons etc), they have not attacked Iranian soil for last 80 years.

My entire argument is that by definition, only your friends can betray you.

To say that your enemy has "betrayed" you because they acted against you when you give them the chance is hilarious. What else do you expect from your enemies?

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

اصلاحات چیا دیگه زدن به سیم آخر حتی تو مسائل نظامی !

امیدوارم به بنی صدر دوم تبدیل نشن...

فوری/ ایزدی مدعی شد: خبری دارم که ای‌کاش درست نباشد!

فواد ایزدی، گفت: پیش از حملهٔ آمریکایی‌ها به فردو و نطنز، طرف آمریکایی به ایران اطلاع داده و حتی از آنها خواسته‌اند که در پاسخ یک پایگاه آمریکایی را هدف قرار دهند.

www.eghtesadonline.com

 

[ToddE]

My entire argument is that by definition, only your friends can betray you.

To say that your enemy has "betrayed" you because they acted against you when you give them the chance is hilarious. What else do you expect from your enemies?

There are no friends or foes in international relations. If Russia exploits IRI or US attacks IRI then it IRI's fault to be exploited and be vulnerable to attacks.

 

[ShapurII]

There are no friends or foes in international relations. If Russia exploits IRI or US attacks IRI then it IRI's fault to be exploited and be vulnerable to attacks.

There are countries whose interests align, and countries whose interests conflict with each other. Usually countries with aligned interests act together, particularly when there's a stronger opponent bloc, i.e. a common enemy. This has never been the case with Russia and Iran.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Those who don't check this thread must check this thread especially the pages 711 and 712:

Thread 'Iranian Foreign & Resistance Front Strategy & Operations'

Dec 25, 2023

@Persian Gulf Can you please make this sticky as well?

• jauk
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• Forum: Iranian Defence Forum

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[Khorasan Black Flags]

دوستان این ویدیو میدونم طولانیه ولی ۱۰ دقيقه اولشو حتمن ببینید:

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[Khorasan Black Flags]

Golden informative videos:

I do always talk with proof.

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[Khorasan Black Flags]

Very good review:

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[Persian Gulf]

Yes, I know that but it is good that the truth is finally being spoken.
Some people need to realize that Russia will never miss an opportunity to weaken Iran, even when the international circumstances align our interests by chance.

actually I don't believe Zarif here. this is a guy who tried to blame Soleimani for bad relations with the West in a 7 hour long private interview which was weirdly recorded and somehow leaked. he always looks for a scapegoat (which is ironic, considering he is the number 1 favourite scapegoat for all of Iran's problems by the hardliners)

on your broader debate, you cannot talk about 'betrayal' from a state who you don't even have diplomatic relations with and which had already conducted numerous hostile acts against Iran (seizing oil tankers, cyber attacks, etc). but he is also right that there are no friends or enemies and every state must preserve its own interests (but he should be consistent and apply this logic to explain America's 'betrayal').

 

[ShapurII]

actually I don't believe Zarif here. this is a guy who tried to blame Soleimani for bad relations with the West in a 7 hour long private interview which was weirdly recorded and somehow leaked. he always looks for a scapegoat (which is ironic, considering he is the number 1 favourite scapegoat for all of Iran's problems by the hardliners)

on your broader debate, you cannot talk about 'betrayal' from a state who you don't even have diplomatic relations with and which had already conducted numerous hostile acts against Iran (seizing oil tankers, cyber attacks, etc). but he is also right that there are no friends or enemies and every state must preserve its own interests (but he should be consistent and apply this logic to explain America's 'betrayal').

It's hard to know what's happened there, but Zarif's story about the JCPOA agrees with what Wendy Sherman has recited about Lavrov's offer, which led to the snapback mechanism eventually. But then again, there's no reason to believe Sherman either.

Nevertheless, that doesn't exonerate Zarif and the entire IR system for approving the JCPOA, but it does shed some light on the complicated nature of our relations with Russia.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

How many aircraft did Iran shoot down during the 12-days war against the rats?

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[Arash]

Even i knew Israel will attack Iran. It's their mindset, for them they're too special to be attacked directly by Iran. Even now Israel is 100% planning on making Iran in to Libya and Syria so they can boast. They will go after Iran long range missiles and missile facilities, no nation in the middleeast must be able to threaten Israel, this is so their messiah feels safe to come.

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Buddy you are a smart one ;-)