Punjab looks to ‘neutralise’ TLP

[Respect4Respect]

The question is how. The West conducted the Nuremberg trial to put legitimacy on the action which followed.

Also, many departments in our country need spanking, some more than others.

Some shameless mods and bootlickers are cheering state terrorism. If civilians had done this to the army or police, these same people would be crying rivers. Yet they openly enjoy and support the massacre of civilians by the so called state.
The people of Pakistan are the real state. Their lives matter more than those in uniform, who are paid to defend the borders and for whom death is an inherent risk of the job, just as it is for airline pilots, mine workers, or electricians.

 

[Goenitz]

Some shameless mods and bootlickers are cheering state terrorism. If civilians had done this to the army or police, these same people would be crying rivers. Yet they openly enjoy and support the massacre of civilians by the so called state.
The people of Pakistan are the real state. Their lives matter more than those in uniform, who are paid to defend the borders and for whom death is an inherent risk of the job, just as it is for airline pilots, mine workers, or electricians.

that is a different thread bro. It is abt banning TLP. My point was that even doing that, it must be done through debate and courts.

 

[Respect4Respect]

that is a different thread bro. It is abt banning TLP. My point was that even doing that, it must be done through debate and courts.

Not you brother. It’s about those mods who once served in the army and now treat civilian lives as disposable, standing behind state terror against the true state which is the people of Pakistan.

 

[Respect4Respect]

It is abt banning TLP. My point was that even doing that, it must be done through debate and courts.

I agree if TLP needs to be banned, that’s the court’s job and not the job of uniformed thugs. But any sane person knows the current courts are controlled by the GHQ mafia. What justice can you expect from judges like Faiz Isa and now Afridi?

 

[LC150]

There are many journalists who were always neutral even in Imrandu/Bajwa era and still are. But I can't take Imrandu/bajwa era bootlicker journalists seriously.

That is ok …

Most of Pakistan cannot take any of the state controlled “journalist” seriously

 

[LC150]

I think different views can be expressed without using degrading terms such as noonie, yothiya etc

Noonie is an actual word… who gave you the authority to decide so ?.. Even Pakistan largest English publication has used it…seriously people on this forum just seem to make up stuff..



Qoute

“But it has to be said that the PTI’s routine shenanigans could not top what the Noonies got up to in New York”

Let the games begin

It’s not just the lot on television but also those in politics who seem to have run out of choices.

www.dawn.com

 

[Signalian]

@RescueRanger

I can talk about LeT here but there might be intel sensitive information since CMI has been targeting LeT in Karachi. Infact, TLP gatherings had intel agents reporting their activities, their talk, the names of people who joined, etc. There was an incident with a friend who actually asked a TLP guy in one of the gatherings, who are these 2 clean shaven men standing over there? The TLP guy already knew and said, yeh intelligence walay hain, yeh har dafa aa jatay hain reporting k liye. The friend left the premises and the party for good. So even TLP knows they are being monitored openly.

 

[Goenitz]

@PakAl
Same pattern. I wonder if they have found plastic molotov.

 

[Goenitz]

every userper thinks he is not evil

 

[clutch]

Apparently Hundreds of not a Thousand plus people were murdered by the establishment...

 

[Fatman17]

Editorial: As the administration expands its dragnet around the TLP, there is once again talk in official circles of applying the ‘hard state’ approach to tackling extremism. It is clear that after the TLP’s latest gambit failed — marching on Islamabad in supposed solidarity with Gaza — and resulted in deadly showdowns with the law, the state is giving no quarter to the hard-line outfit.

Read the full editorial here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1950711

 

[Toxic]

Source: The Express Tribune https://share.google/NjuxZRcT3uMEQd0XB

 

[RocketLaw]

Insh’Allah, today marks a decisive policy moment. The Government of Pakistan is set to formally ban TLP, a move rooted in national stability and rule of law. No state can allow chaos under the guise of faith. This ban reflects Pakistan’s clarity of purpose: protect its people, institutions, and peace.

Pakistan has so many problems with several parties, are they going to fix it or not?

Starting with first letter - "T" --> TTA, TTP, TLP, TPATA, TPG, TTL, TRE, TTTT, TFA, TTW, etc (some randoms names lol)

 

[krash]

There is very little religious tolerance.......

Or religious understanding. Ironic how the Momineen are ready to kill for the religion but can't be bothered to pickup a book for it.

The pretentious religiosity is just a guise for our un-Islamic, barbaric, and idiotic emotional insecurities.

People need to start respecting others and their opinions......rule of law should be established and people need to STOP taking law into their own hands when it involves suspected cases of blasphemy as well.

Blasphemy laws are un-Islamic and are a travesty against innocent Pakistanis and the religion they pretend to protect.

So what about the people, brother? Are they part of the state? What if the majority of the people oppose a small minority that seizes power by force? That minority might be able to issue passports and other documents, but it has no legitimacy in the public’s eyes. Does such a 'state' also have the right to harm civilians?

Since your argument is with regards to Pakistan, I will assume the system of governance to be a representative democracy.

Being in majority holds no power in and of itself. Whatever the people aim to do must be done within the legal framework defined in the constitution, which boils down to their vote in the next elections, contesting issues in the courts, and peaceful protests. Any coercive measures taken beyond these are illegal. The government has no direct legal responsibility towards the opinions of the majority but instead is beholden to the need for their votes in the next elections. The government's direct legal responsibility is only towards the constitution, which also gives and limits its right to inflict harm. It cannot and does not need to go around asking for the majority opinion on anything. The majority can decide tomorrow that road speed limits are trivial, the government will have no obligation to make it so. Majorities have held more idiotic opinions than that.

The seizing of power by force is illegal as per the constitution and hence will not be considered legal. You will need it to be ruled illegal by a court, and not by the opinions of the majority.

i respect your opinion even though i don't agree with your definition of the "state".

The definition of The State is not a matter of opinion. It is only and exactly as defined in Article 7 of The Constitution of Pakistan.

 

[Toxic]

Realistically banning TLP isn't going to end extremism problem in this country, you have to find the source of the problem, there are estimated to be over 30 thousand madrassa's with vast majority of them being completely unregulated and with no oversight, think about that a system millions of kids go through being completely unregulated, no wonder the scale of abuses that happen in these madrassa's and are also source of vast majority of The extremism.

majority of these need to be dismantled while a few should be allowed to exist under strict government monitoring and they shouldn't be allowed to exist as a alternative to formal education, mosques should Also be monitored.

This combined with increase in funding to formal education can genuinely bring long term societal change.