Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[White Privilege]

I live in KPK, and during and after pak- afghan skirmishes I have seen many members blaming KP govt or KP Pashtuns for one sided love for Afghanistan without providing any concrete evidence, just statements of some people here and there.
But they all forget that there is great sense of betrayal from center govt and especially ARMY{ leave PAF n Navy people still love them} not just by Pashtuns but non-pashtuns as well in KP.
You can dismissively say that IK is cult here people are blindly following him but none of you can say that KPK people are wrong in doing so.
I am a non pashtun and I myself belief our right to self govern is snatched from us right in the day light and no one was able to do anything, no one stood with us.
As for one sided love, my dear, you don't know how much people in KP hate Afghans commonly call them by these names (muhajir/kabaley/afghaney).
Just don't make sweeping statements that you are the one to decide who is traitor and who is loyal to country, it hurts, a lot.

Don't want to indulge in any politics or questions answers sessions here, but deeply saddened by such comments made for KP and people living here.

IK (and/or people close to him) have fired Gandapur for failing to interefere with military ops, this tells a lot about their arrogance.

 

[aati]

Then elect leaders that share the same sentiment.The electorate in KPK need to vote for competence. Sindh has the same issue.

What kind of sick mentality you have? Thank God not all punjabis think like sanghis like u do!

 

[Broghil]

Then elect leaders that share the same sentiment.The electorate in KPK need to vote for competence. Sindh has the same issue.

Who are you to decide for them which person to elect?

 

[aati]

IK (and/or people close to him) have fired Gandapur for failing to interefere with military ops, this tells a lot about their arrogance.

That's what you people think. The reality on the ground is there was a perception about Gandapur tha he is playing on both sides.
Secondly KP people were not happy with with him about anything, he was not even able to transfer AC/DC Peshawar for two whole years, that's speaks a lot.

کرسی ہے تمہاری جنازہ تو نہیں ھے
کچھ کر نہیں سکتے تو اتر کیوں نہیں جاتے

 

[aati]

Who are you to decide for them which person to elect?

We need more people like u، who are at least willing to give people the right to live and decide for their own people.
Not just land grabs

 

[mythbuster]

I live in KPK, and during and after pak- afghan skirmishes I have seen many members blaming KP govt or KP Pashtuns for one sided love for Afghanistan without providing any concrete evidence, just statements of some people here and there.
But they all forget that there is great sense of betrayal from center govt and especially ARMY{ leave PAF n Navy people still love them} not just by Pashtuns but non-pashtuns as well in KP.
You can dismissively say that IK is cult here people are blindly following him but none of you can say that KPK people are wrong in doing so.
I am a non pashtun and I myself belief our right to self govern is snatched from us right in the day light and no one was able to do anything, no one stood with us.
As for one sided love, my dear, you don't know how much people in KP hate Afghans commonly call them by these names (muhajir/kabaley/afghaney).
Just don't make sweeping statements that you are the one to decide who is traitor and who is loyal to country, it hurts, a lot.

Don't want to indulge in any politics or questions answers sessions here, but deeply saddened by such comments made for KP and people living here.

What's so special about the rights of KP people ?... rights of entire country has been denied.....in KP you at least have PTI government..... other provinces are not doing the Randi Rona like KP folks... attitude of KP government is border line seditious....spare us this tale of victim hood .

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[KingQamaR]

So only punjabis are the learned people, oh dear Lord. Kon log o tussi oy.
That's the problem

A very bad stereotyping by him, Saying the KPK has lack of brains is very silly, I think city dwellers from Lahore and Karachi just project whatever ideas they have onto the western Pakistani provinces or up North Pakistan without actually thinking. - or been to these areas.

 

[aati]

What's so special about the rights of KP people ?... rights of entire country has been denied.....in KP you at least have PTI government..... other provinces are not doing the Randi Rona like KP folks... attitude of KP government is border line seditious....spare us this tale of victim hood .

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That's the difference, At least doing the resistance and demanding our right, not just sitting idle.
So what's the attitude of KPK govt care to explain.
Demanding to do negotiating is wrong, dear we are being fucked up in KP not others.
Our FC and locals are being killed on daily basis by both parties, and you are shouting on shadat of faujis and declaring us traitors, that's a new norm.

And mind you people of KP did not created these Taliban whether TTP or TTA, it's a gift by people who think they know all and are geniuses.

they are shouting because they cannot control their own creation.

"Farq Jan k Jio"

 

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[krash]

What's so special about the rights of KP people ?... rights of entire country has been denied.....in KP you at least have PTI government..... other provinces are not doing the Randi Rona like KP folks... attitude of KP government is border line seditious....spare us this tale of victim hood .

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There need not be anything special about the rights of KP people. Others having had the same or worse does not forfeit their rights. Learn to listen to your fellow countrymen and keep the knives in the pantry.

What kind of sick mentality you have? Thank God not all punjabis think like sanghis like u do!

He doesn't either, at least on most days. It's the famous Pakistani single-track mind manifesting itself.

 

[aati]

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So count started with good Taliban first. Why can't we just divide and rule like India is doing in Kashmir, British did with us, Israel doing with Palestinians, why! Why always show of force.
None the less at least a development.

 

[Oscar]

Islamically there should be no lines as both countries are Muslim.

Please the exact reference in scripture or even Islamic history to back up this idea being “islamic”.

Early Muslim expansion was often organized around local leaders, tribal affiliations, and regional rulers united under larger caliphates but not necessarily bound by a religious command to have defined borders. Tribal loyalties and local political power shaped early Muslim territories, with different Muslim groups existing semi-independently under shared Islamic leadership. There was no strict religious rule forcing Muslim states to have exact borders or control over specific lands.

When it comes to travel between Muslim states, the Quran encourages migration mainly for religious freedom or safety, but it does not demand unrestricted travel between Muslim lands.

Historically, allowing free movement depended on political and social circumstances rather than religious scripture alone. So, the idea that Muslims from one state should always be able to travel freely to another is not a strict rule from early Islamic texts but depends on practical governance and local agreements.

 

[mythbuster]

There need not be anything special about the rights of KP people. Others having had the same or worse does not forfeit their rights. Learn to listen to your fellow countrymen and keep the knives in the pantry.



He doesn't either, at least on most days. It's the famous Pakistani single-track mind manifesting itself.

Know the difference between a knife and a shield ....my knives are still in the pantry.

 

[Broghil]

Please the exact reference in scripture or even Islamic history to back up this idea being “islamic”.

Early Muslim expansion was often organized around local leaders, tribal affiliations, and regional rulers united under larger caliphates but not necessarily bound by a religious command to have defined borders. Tribal loyalties and local political power shaped early Muslim territories, with different Muslim groups existing semi-independently under shared Islamic leadership. There was no strict religious rule forcing Muslim states to have exact borders or control over specific lands.

When it comes to travel between Muslim states, the Quran encourages migration mainly for religious freedom or safety, but it does not demand unrestricted travel between Muslim lands.

Historically, allowing free movement depended on political and social circumstances rather than religious scripture alone. So, the idea that Muslims from one state should always be able to travel freely to another is not a strict rule from early Islamic texts but depends on practical governance and local agreements.

And that too when there are regimes and groups that are hell bent on imposing their ideology or sect or interpretation of Islam even by force on other people.

 

[Oscar]

A very bad stereotyping by him, Saying the KPK has lack of brains is very silly, I think city dwellers from Lahore and Karachi just project whatever ideas they have onto the western Pakistani provinces or up North Pakistan without actually thinking. - or been to these areas.

Ironically I found more education focused businesses per square Km in my time in Peshawar and overall KP than any of the time I spent in Punjab or the remote towns in it.

Unfortunately - to construe the cultural disposition of KP into personal ambitions is also a mistake . Ive met PhD ladies in KP who weren’t allowed to work culturally

But that has NOTHING to do with a lack of education or otherwise. For that matter you have all sorts of amalgamation of culture that happens in urban centers including people from KP but you will find total ignorant twits among them.

Yes, one could argue that culturally there is evolution needed in KP or Balochistan for that matter(or Sindh and many areas of Punjab) but it is not something you can force especially since you (as the state) were part of the system suppressing it.

That is like saying why people go to dhamaals while actively ignoring or even supporting the vested economic interests that drive such pseudo religious beliefs and views - and then deciding to excommunicate those going into such practices and executing them while failing to address any of the original reasons for it.

This whole idea of “culture is bad” completely ignores how lines of communication, interactions and state support(and protection) for education drives positive changes in communities.

Peshawar was not full of gun toting people and neither was Kabul for that matter. Kabul was a vacationing spot for people from Peshawar because of its beauty prior to the conflict in which you took a “closed” but not conservative culture and pumped it full of politically tainted and misinterpreted ideals in the name of Islamic education - and now are smarting because you thought that gave you control instead of realizing that ethnic pride and tribal relations are a pre Islamic issue for people in these parts of the world.