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[TallGuy]

@Persian Gulf

What is current strength of MiG-29 Fleet, do we have reports of losses at Tabriz?

as per my knowledge IRIAF had 22 x MiG-29 Fulcrum 9.12B and 5 x MiG-29U Fulcrum 9.51

largest squadron with the most operational airframes was at Tabriz, Entity gave special attention to tabrez base.

i hear from some people that there were major losses on ground like at Hamadan.

so we did see them flying at tehran may those who left were moved to Tehran/Esfahan?

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2ndly if IRIAF really did purchase MiG-29 from Moscow. it was a good choice, why because atleast they would have pilots in air force who could quickly become operational.

any new platform will require training from ground up and maintenance setup.

I think its a correct choice under the circumstances (but i have serious doubts on receiving any new airframes from Moscow. i do not think they got any what i think is they have got spares and engines. so, they can make full MiG-29s in hand mission capable.

 

[TallGuy]

@Persian Gulf

Ideal aircraft for IRIAF in current situation is MIG-31 "Foxhound"

the tactics and employment by entity require MiG-31 Foxhound to negate the effects.

 

[Piet]

What will be mig-35 not mig-29

Mig-29 with those upgrade is 100% alien to Iran pilots

I imagine that training up pilots on whatever eventually arrives in Iran would make sense if the Iranian pilots are 1) trained by Russian personnel in Iran or 2), in Russia.

Piet

Piet

 

[kastor ville]

@Persian Gulf

What is current strength of MiG-29 Fleet, do we have reports of losses at Tabriz?

as per my knowledge IRIAF had 22 x MiG-29 Fulcrum 9.12B and 5 x MiG-29U Fulcrum 9.51

largest squadron with the most operational airframes was at Tabriz, Entity gave special attention to tabrez base.

i hear from some people that there were major losses on ground like at Hamadan.

so we did see them flying at tehran may those who left were moved to Tehran/Esfahan?

=======

2ndly if IRIAF really did purchase MiG-29 from Moscow. it was a good choice, why because atleast they would have pilots in air force who could quickly become operational.

any new platform will require training from ground up and maintenance setup.

I think its a correct choice under the circumstances (but i have serious doubts on receiving any new airframes from Moscow. i do not think they got any what i think is they have got spares and engines. so, they can make full MiG-29s in hand mission capable.

This is what I'm reading on Twitter...the MIG-29 arrival was bs...it's parts being delivered to upgrade them or get them mission ready.

 

[Cipher212]

common Russian shenanigan

Set a tiny effective view, basically you need to know exactly where to look, then concentrate energy on that exact angle.

Any AESA can be pre-configured to scan a tiny angle, but nobody is doing it.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/an-in-depth-analysis-of-why-the-sukhoi-su-35-is-the-most-overhyped-4th-generation-fighter-aircraft/

I suppose it is the best Iran can practically get. I'm not sure if China is able/willing to sell to Iran.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Persian Gulf

What is current strength of MiG-29 Fleet, do we have reports of losses at Tabriz?

I don't think any mig-29 were lost. some f-14, helicopters, and one refuelling plane

 

[MS Sandhu]

SU-35S has one of the most powerful IRST on any fighter jet on earth so even without its radar it can track a target, even a stealth one and use SARH/IR guided missiles to attack it.

IRST is close range system.Pretty much useless on a Fourth Gen Fighter in a BVR dominated battlefield.

 

[Shafagh]

IRST is close range system.Pretty much useless on a Fourth Gen Fighter in a BVR dominated battlefield.

It's a good backup in the event radar gets jammed which will likely happen.

Furthermore, It allows an aircraft to search for targets without turning their own radar on.

Su 35 OLS-35 IRST has 90km range. If it is hunting drones, cruise missiles, ALBMs, it can get closer without risking their radar illuminating them to Israeli aircraft.

 

[ToddE]

What about a platform that can carry air launched ballistic missiles i.e. Mig 31 with Kinzal missile setup.

MIG-31 is no longer being produced. Its basically a heavily upgraded MIG-25 from 1960s/70s that IRIAF itself shot down using F-5E so not suitable for close combat. Russia wont sell its fleet of MIG-31BM. They spent billions of USD in upgrading them as high level Long range BVR interceptor + ALBM launchers.

One of the reasons I was always in favor of IRIAF spending 10-15 Million USD/airframe on extensive most MLU + up-gradation of F-14A fleet on lines of what Russia did with MIG-31BM. There was a plan as well but seems like with SU-35S, the fleet is done and dusted.

Evidence point we only get 24 pod for those 48 su-35

I was talking about SU-35S capability. IRI could have gotten better deal from Russia.

IRST is close range system.Pretty much useless on a Fourth Gen Fighter in a BVR dominated battlefield.

Wrong concept. Modern IRST systems, such as F-15E's Legion, Eurofighter’s PIRATE, or Su-35S's OLS-35 (all 4th gen) can Search n Track targets in BVR domain even the stealth ones. There is a reason many modern BVR missiles carry IR-terminal guidance for "passively cued" LOAL/LOBL launch" e.g. R-77T or MICA IR full BVR or AIM-9X Block III (borderline BVR) can take direct Search n Track Cues from IRST on aircraft without aircraft itself emitting its radar signals.

 

[ToddE]

No it does not have such instructions, in fact what it have is one of the weakest in the world

Umm no? Its comparable to EF-2000's PIRATE system.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's a good backup in the event radar gets jammed which will likely happen.

Furthermore, It allows an aircraft to search for targets without turning their own radar on.

Su 35 OLS-35 IRST has 90km range. If it is hunting drones, cruise missiles, ALBMs, it can get closer without risking their radar illuminating them to Israeli aircraft.

Ols-35 can only discern 4 hot point , a modern system can distinguish hundreds of hot point

 

[Hack-Hook]

Umm no? Its comparable to EF-2000's PIRATE system.

Yeah sure

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its not even compare to skyward g on grippen-e
I consider it more in line with j10

 

[Comandante]

It seems you didn't understand anything about the war between Pakistan and India. The data link was the point there! They don't beat around the bush about the truth. The J10 probably launched the missile without even turning on their radar, they saw the enemy through the data link.

 

[hasssanali8998]

even turning on their radar,

yeah they were running blind

 

[ToddE]

Yeah sure

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its not even compare to skyward g on grippen-e
I consider it more in line with j10

By no means its a bad system. Probably bit below PIRATE of EF-2000 but its can easily search n track a fighter in BVR ranges to launch an R-77T (IR guided version of R-77).

Russian Avionics have always been a level below western one so its obvious. Chinese are catching up or even surpass west in some areas now.