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[Foinikas]

I dont agree with your logic of military supremacy, Israel has only ever gone up against poorly trained countries that don't know how to fight. Turkiye is an entirely different domain.

As you have said, Israel's advantage is it is air force on the basis of pre-emption but I do think Turkieye is better equipped to see, and understand their pre-emption and counter it before it can become effective as a military tool.

I'm not saying their supreme as in,they could dominate every aspect of the Turkish military,what they usually do is strike specific targets mostly pre-emptively and cripple the opponent's capabilities to reach them. Yes,they're different from what they're used to encounter the last 30 years,but then again...they've been to places nobody has managed to and hit countries like Saddam's Iraq,Khamenei's Iran,took out the entire Beqaa Valley Air Defence umbrella and effectively destroying Syria's shield on Lebanon,back in 1982.

They've got the equipment and the experience/training to do that. On the other hand,if you think of it...Turkey too is used to fighting either small and badly equipped armies or just militias and ragtag bands of mountainous rebels. Cypriot National Guard had no Air Force,Armenians virtually had no Air Force except 4 Su-30s with no missiles and a few attack helicopters. Pro-Assad forces in Syria were just a big better equipped than militias. SDF forces? Come on. LNA in Libya? Largely militia force with a few sophisticated pieces like Pantsir-S1 and Wing Loong.

Either way it would be interesting to see if the jews managed to bypass Turkish indigenous defences and Turks managing to take out opponent bases.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Israeli Air Force

you are giving them too much credit they are not US , sure they might be able to preemptively strike and take out some ADs but after that its going to be hell for IAF if they are not completely supported by US/EU ( think every IAF airbase getting pounded ) , no way they will be able to take out Turkish land forces using IAF

 

[Foinikas]

you are giving them too much credit they are not US , sure they might be able to preemptively strike and take out some ADs but after that its going to be hell for IAF if they are not completely supported by US/EU ( think every IAF airbase getting pounded )

They can't drag this on for more than a month.

no way they will be able to take out Turkish land forces using IAF

They could take out Turkish land forces inside Syria,I mean any attempt by Turkey to invade Israel from land. They would be severely struck by aircraft. Inside Turkey,I only think the IAF could strike vital buildings,some infastracture,maybe a few air bases close to them,some defence industry assets. i don't think they'd try to go beyond eastern/central Turkey. But then again,they're nuts they've reached Iraq and Uganda in the past

 

[hasssanali8998]

They could take out Turkish land forces inside

brother those forces will be protected by a competent af not like iran or hamas . i am saying this will not be Iran vs Israel situation .

 

[hasssanali8998]

i don't think they'd try to go beyond eastern/central Turkey. But then again,they're nuts they've reached Iraq and Uganda in the past

they are nuts when they enemy cant do anything and they know the world will not say anything ,

 

[Foinikas]

they are nuts when they enemy cant do anything and they know the world will not say anything ,

Again now we're going back to the "will the West react if Israel hit Turkey" subject

 

[hasssanali8998]

Again now we're going back to the "will the West react if Israel hit Turkey" subject

yeah its kind of dumb we both know Israel is not stupid enough to do it rn ,

 

[MMM-E]

Many People still fail to foresee the game-changing role of Unmanned stealth Fighter Jets


Hundreds of KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 will add unique power to the Turkish Air Force in the region

• Strategic offensives
• Close Air Support (CAS)
• Missile offensives
• Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD)
• Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD)

A first in the world: Unmanned stealth Fighter Jet took off with AESA Radar

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MURAD-100A AESA radar on Kızılelma can scan up to 160nm in a 140⁰ sector.


KIZILELMA will have advantage against 4,5 gen Fighters like F-15EX , F-16V , RAFALE , SU-35 , etc in BVR combat
KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will be armed with 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missiles ... ( internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability)



ANKA-3 flying wing stealth UCAV for deep strike and SEAD/DEAD role
ANKA-3 is coming with very low RCS -30dbsqm [0.001m2] to carry 275 km SOM-J stealth Cruise Missile .... also 150+ km KUZGUN-TJ and CAKIR Cruise Missiles


Air Defense Systems can not detect ANKA-3 before launching SOM-J stealth Cruise Missile from 275 km away



same stealth capability with the F-35
thanks to full of composite material , RAM , Internal weapon bays , the V-shaped design does not have horizontal and vertical stabilisation to reduce RCS

Good luck to Enemy Air Defense Systems and Naval Platforms
They will need it

 

[Foinikas]

yeah its kind of dumb we both know Israel is not stupid enough to do it rn ,

Realistically,I don't think there's going to be any conflict. Not at all.

But @Ali_Baba is right,the Turkish Air Force is trying to regain the edge it lost against the HAF and IAF. It's obvious by how frantically,intensely the Turkish leadership has been trying to get modern fighter jets with significant BVR capabilities ever since we got the Rafale and Turkey was put on CAATCHA.

It's...I don't know,it's like you see an urgency,they've been desperately trying to get F-16Vs and Eurofighters. And the fact that they insist they will only buy the Eurofighters with Meteor,speaks volumes.

 

[MMM-E]

It's...I don't know,it's like you see an urgency,they've been desperately trying to get F-16Vs and Eurofighters. And the fact that they insist they will only buy the Eurofighters with Meteor,speaks volumes.

Dont forget about OZGUR-2 upgrade program

around 200 Turkish F-16s will be modernized with MURAD-100A AESA Radar and 185-200 km GOKBORA - GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles

24 Eurofighters may arrive from Qatar-Oman in 2026, thus gaining time for the modernized F-16s with the OZGUR-2 program until 2030.




Deliveries within the scope of the F-16 Block-30 ÖZGÜR-2 Project are targeted to be completed between 2025-2027, while deliveries within the scope of the F-16 BLOK-40/50 ÖZGÜR-2 Project are targeted to be completed between 2028-2030.

 

[Assyrian209]

They can't drag this on for more than a month.


They could take out Turkish land forces inside Syria,I mean any attempt by Turkey to invade Israel from land. They would be severely struck by aircraft.

What do you think wars are some kind of anime movie or comicbook esque.

Israel was fighting for 2 years in an small enclave smaller then one district in Athens mentioned by aziz in another thread which is correct and also if you think Airforce can magically take out forces then Russia would have whipped out Syrian rebels within a week or the US would have whipped out the Taliban in months.

When it comes to an airforce role in warfare it is very limited because the land is to vaste and there are not enough fighter jets in the world to cover especially a small country like Greece forget Syria or Turkey which are much bigger countries land size wise.

A fighter jets role is very limited hence you will have to engage coventionally but honestly I don´t even think IAF will have access passing Turkish ADs and airforce this is not Iran they have BVRs. Iran was strangely eough the only country that has no airforce example Kuwait could have had an epic air battle with Israel over their skies because they have BVR´s and competent airforce. Israel have done resaerch on Iran and they were actully using F--16s because according to the Israelis the F-35s are obsolote.

UAE airforce could have destroyed Tehran all tho they would have gotten back missiles because Iran was basically open and naked because they have never focussed on their airforce and the only country that has never done that in the region

 

[Foinikas]

What do you think wars are some kind of anime movie or comicbook esque.

It's exactly because I don't,that I posted all the above.

 

[Assyrian209]

It's exactly because I don't,that I posted all the above.

You don´t have a concept of warfare and what it true is like.

Try to first analyze why Israel was fighting in such a small enclave for 2 years then go to much larger conflicts in recent modern history in order to understand the dynamics of warfare.

They follow a certain pattern.

 

[Foinikas]

You don´t have a concept of warfare and what it true is like.

I believe I explained my thoughts in detail earlier.

Try to first analyze why Israel was bugged down and fighting in such a small enclave for 2 years then go to much larger conflicts in recent modern history in order to understand the dynamics of warfare.

There's a few reasons:

1.They were fighting an enemy that mostly hid underground
2.They took their time pulverizing the entire Gaza Strip
3.This whole thing was an effort to uproot Palestinians and force them to flee to other countries or just kill as many as possible while doing it.
4.The sooner the operation was over,the sooner the war would be over,the sooner Netanyahu would be facing charges and fierce reactions from the public,meaning his government would have fallen.

 

[Assyrian209]

I believe I explained my thoughts in detail earlier.


There's a few reasons:

1.They were fighting an enemy that mostly hid underground
2.They took their time pulverizing the entire Gaza Strip
3.This whole thing was an effort to uproot Palestinians and force them to flee to other countries or just kill as many as possible while doing it.
4.The sooner the operation was over,the sooner the war would be over,the sooner Netanyahu would be facing charges and fierce reactions from the public,meaning his government would have fallen.

What objectives did it achieve? Absolutely nothing.

The first objective was to actully beat the enemy militarily which did not materialize as the enemy was stubborn and had not just underground but labyrinth like area...

Destroying buildings in a small district will only give the enemy more hide outs.

The scale was very small meaning it was not allover a country but a tiny area.

Some other countries could have done it better then them. They aren´t good in conventional warfare but only dropping bombs but that is not how wars are won but you gotta take it from the enemy on the ground.

The best example is the Syrian war or the Ukraine war or even the Afghan war for the modern warfare estimation and longevity etc etc. No modern warfare will be over in a night