Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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Think bigger my friend, Modi isnt just a cheap copy of Temu... he is a cheap copy of Milošević (if you get it, you get it), and the results maybe similar

... yes and hopefully he ends like Milošević, but in a cheaper way too.

 

[Ibbi32]

Last time we received PL-15 for PAF, now this time what did PN Navy get?

IN Navy must be destroyed and all the ports.

I think Vikrant will be far away and far away closer to Bangladesh, I am not sure

Navy doesn't need much more than accurate real time positioning which is garunteed by china. I am still very skeptical of how paf and PN combined operations will work because PN will absolutely require organic multirole aircraft and without significant shore and surface launch batteries most air cover will be provided by air assets which requires that AFB masroor be protected and able to dish out a significant number of sorties. Inshallah our navy never has to prove themselves because any real naval action will absolutely be costly in men and money and due to our size disparity we cannot afford to trade even frigates for destroyers.

 

[Reddington]

If war does not happen by end of November then it might happen in April/May 2026. Indians will try to capture parts of Azaad Kashmir / GB.
They have come to realise they can not come out on top in a short war/skirmish with Pakistan.
So, this time they are planning for a lengthy and devastating conventional war with Pakistan.

 

[RocketLaw]

Navy doesn't need much more than accurate real time positioning which is garunteed by china. I am still very skeptical of how paf and PN combined operations will work because PN will absolutely require organic multirole aircraft and without significant shore and surface launch batteries most air cover will be provided by air assets which requires that AFB masroor be protected and able to dish out a significant number of sorties. Inshallah our navy never has to prove themselves because any real naval action will absolutely be costly in men and money and due to our size disparity we cannot afford to trade even frigates for destroyers.

Agreed - I believe coordination between PAF and PN is crucial. Let’s hope strategy and deterrence always prevent it, Insha'Allah. Maybe China and PN Navy were already in discussions, never know.

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The battle of Gujarat. Reclaiming Junaghar.

Pakistan’s shallow-water naval capabilities currently exceed India’s in adaptability and specialization. The Navy fields an agile mix of missile boats, midget submarines and coast guard vessels, supported by military hovercraft that enhance maneuverability in the Rann of Kech and surrounding marshy coastal zones. This layered posture provides Pakistan with credible deterrence and operational flexibility in complex littoral environments.

The Special Service Group (Navy), or SSG (N), amplifies this advantage through specialized expertise in coastal infiltration, underwater demolition and amphibious operations. Their integration with naval and unmanned strike assets allows for precision actions in shallow and semi-amphibious terrain where conventional forces face mobility constraints.

Pakistan’s Harbah coastal missile batteries, operated by the Pakistan Rocket Force, strengthen sea denial coverage along the Rann of Kech and adjoining littorals. Linked to naval sensors and command networks, these systems can deliver precision anti ship strikes, constraining adversary access and maneuver within Pakistan’s near sea zone.

The unveiling of advanced loitering munition systems in May 2025 further highlights Pakistan’s shift toward autonomous and precision guided warfare. Combined with coastal missile batteries, missile boats and special operations forces, these capabilities establish a cohesive anti-access/area denial (A2/AD) network optimized for marshy, riverine and coastal conflict scenarios where agility, stealth, and distributed firepower are decisive.

 

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Navy doesn't need much more than accurate real time positioning which is garunteed by china. I am still very skeptical of how paf and PN combined operations will work because PN will absolutely require organic multirole aircraft and without significant shore and surface launch batteries most air cover will be provided by air assets which requires that AFB masroor be protected and able to dish out a significant number of sorties. Inshallah our navy never has to prove themselves because any real naval action will absolutely be costly in men and money and due to our size disparity we cannot afford to trade even frigates for destroyers.

I am even skeptical if anyone will bring their navies within firing ranges, even as a test. Its a very quick way to attain huge unforgivable losses for both sides. India has the numbers and the bulk but Pakistan has shown its methods to be covert and lethal.

I mean Rafales are one thing, but imagine a huge warship slowly sinking into the Ocean over hours or a day, for the world to see. even left for a slim chance, still, India cannot afford such a setback, ever. Loss of Navy ships will be burnt into the memories of Indians forever.

India lost Rafales assuming they can never be downed. Can they be this stupid yet again, again with their Navy ships ?

 

[Ibbi32]

I am even skeptical if anyone will bring their navies within firing ranges. Its a very quick way to attain huge unforgivable losses for both sides. India has the numbers and the bulk but Pakistan has shown its methods to be covert and lethal.

I mean Rafales are one thing, but imagine a huge warship slowly sinking into the Ocean over hours or a day, for the world to see. even left for a slim chance, still, India cannot afford such a setback, ever. Loss of Navy ships will be burnt into the memories of Indians forever.

India lost Rafales assuming they can never be downed. Can they be this stupid yet again, again with their Navy ships ?

We would be wise not to risk our naval assets let them come into shore battery and cm400 range if they dare the moskva is a perfect example of how naval dominance can be challenged and beaten in the mordern day with good planning and enemy blunders. I fear that much like the west tries to reign in ukraine our ghq and govt will not allow such an action due to escalation risks

 

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We would be wise not to risk our naval assets let them come into shore battery and cm400 range if they dare the moskva is a perfect example of how naval dominance can be challenged and beaten in the mordern day with good planning and enemy blunders. I fear that much like the west tries to reign in ukraine our ghq and govt will not allow such an action due to escalation risks

I know, and this is why this thing is more risky. In the day and age where US Navy is fearful of Houthis and Russia has fenced up its black sea fleet out of fear of Ukraine, it is not that hard to target ships. At the same time Indians are so badly itching to show off their Navy.

the problem is ... how to control the escalation if India is stupid enough to launch an attack with them. Can they afford to have their navy anchored/fenced just like their AF got grounded ? Will they launch planes form Vikrant to go on offensive and become a legit target of PN ?

Everyone will be happy btw, Bangladesh, Maldives, Srilanka will rush to Pakistan so they can get out of Indian naval blackmail. India would lose their utility for the US forever and China will roam the Indian Ocean freely. It will be totally worth it if that happens. Then, if they wanna escalate in return, then at least nobody will blame Pakistan for whatever happens.

 

[Ibbi32]

I know, and this is why this thing is more risky. In the day and age where US Navy is fearful of Houthis and Russia has fenced up its black sea fleet out of fear of Ukraine, it is not that hard to target ships. At the same time Indians are so badly itching to show off their Navy.

the problem is ... how to control the escalation if India is stupid enough to launch an attack with them. Can they afford to have their navy anchored/fenced just like their AF got grounded ? Will they launch planes form Vikrant to go on offensive and become a legit target of PN ?

Everyone will be happy btw, Bangladesh, Maldives, Srilanka will rush to Pakistan so they can get out of Indian naval blackmail. India would lose their utility for the US forever and China will roam the Indian Ocean freely. It will be totally worth it if that happens. Then, if they wanna escalate in return, then at least nobody will blame Pakistan for whatever happens.

I believe we do not need to target indian CSG themselves at the start of any conflict navy imo must make decision to target smaller battlegroups with lone frigates and corvettes with surface assets and submarines to show their hand and then run like hell before IN has anything in position to respond. This way india will be constantly weary of future attacks at any point of the escalation ladder with submarines and is dissuaded from encroaching upon pakistani water to avoid further humiliation. The great downside to this is if the indians manage to gather forces and are intent on retaliation they can absolutely take out their anger out on karachi and we can do very little to mitigate it without preemptive strikes. And at that point when youre dealing with cities and CSGs tactical nukes are on the table

 

[safriz]

this time i have feelings it will be the nasty one for both countries .. vikrant will go down into bottom of the sea and our cities will get hit again

Indians are stupid but not that stupid

 

[PK781]

i believe the word we all are looking for: is Ghazwa e Hind. That's the decisive battle and inshAllah victory is ours.
May Allah swt protect and bless our brave & valiant military forces and people.....

 

[RocketLaw]

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[omegalamba7xl9]

I believe we do not need to target indian CSG themselves at the start of any conflict navy imo must make decision to target smaller battlegroups with lone frigates and corvettes with surface assets and submarines to show their hand and then run like hell before IN has anything in position to respond.

This very action will result in obviously

The great downside to this is if the indians manage to gather forces and are intent on retaliation they can absolutely take out their anger out on karachi and we can do very little to mitigate it without preemptive strikes. And at that point when youre dealing with cities and CSGs tactical nukes are on the table

So why did you suggest not taking out CSG on the first place? Lol
It's better to take out INS VIKRANT right at the beginning as a first response so the shock and awe will stun entire INDIAN NATION...
GUJRAT OIL REFINERIES
GAS AND OTHER TYPE OF TERMINALS
ALONG WITH INS VIKRANT...
wIthin first few hours of the conflict... A knockout blow to both symbols militarily and economical might and a hard strong response...
INS VIKRANT punishment for the sake of PAKISTAN
Hitting Indian Oil REFINERIES will definitely make TRUMP VERY VERY VERY HAPPY...
AND YOU NEVER KNOW PAF MIGHT BE HIS FAVORITE AIR FORCE NEXT TIME
PAF helped TRUMP END THE WAR IN UKRAINE BY HITTING THOSE COMPANIES THAT ARE BUYING OIL FROM RUSSIA FUELING THE WAR IN UKRAINE... PERFECTLY SET UP...

 

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[Signalian]

How do you know it?
How would PN know that they were able to keep all IN assets at bay? Couldn’t IN have something up it’s sleeve that PN didn’t know about?
I can post a picture of 90% PN Ships docked at Gwadar port during those days in May to bring out many things and make many claims. The remaining PN fleet was keeping entire IN at bay?


Both of these are claims with no confirmation of any sort. A successful strike on a Brahmos storage site would have caused fireworks of a very high magnitude.
Remember the fire at Nur Khan? It was captured by NASA’s satellite network deployed to detect fires across the globe. Fire at a missile storage site would have been bigger than that and caused more commotion than anything else.

You propagating the theory, that Pakistan had upper hand in all domains doesn’t sound Think Tankish.

IN had nothing up its sleeve for PN, otherwise it would have showed up. Obviously there was deterrence from Pakistan military. If there wasn't any deterrence, IN would have been seen approaching PN waters during the conflict, signaling a blockade or any other form of show of presence.

There has been long debates on forum about PAF shooting down 7 x IAF aircrafts and other strikes inside India, go and read there. As for having a go at TTC status, go talk to webby.