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[Respect4Respect]

So? Not the first, or the last time, this has happaned.

Bro that’s not a good argument. Everything has a beginning and an end, whether they want to end this with dignity or flee like Hasina Wajid that’s up to them.

 

[Respect4Respect]

What’s truly amusing, though, is how many self proclaimed constitutionalists and supposed champions of law and due process (here on PDF and beyond) have now been thoroughly exposed.... Their thinly veiled cheerleading for dictatorship, simply because those at the receiving end happen to think differently, reveals them for what they truly are.

It’s shocking tbh, but this is a defense forum, so plenty of pro-army voices are active here. On the ground though, people hurl such abuse at them that I can’t even post those words online.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Bro that’s not a good argument. Everything has a beginning and an end, whether they want to end this with dignity or flee like Hasina Wajid that’s up to them.

The Brits built this colonial machinery in the 1860s, empowering the SHO and magistrate with virtually unlimited authority, and positioning the Army as their backup whenever the natives got “out of line.”..

Over a hundred and fifty years later, little has changed. The only difference is that the Angrez are gone, replaced by the Kaalay Angrez...

They would rather burn the country to ashes than surrender power, that’s the mindset.. The nation faces a gruelling struggle ahead, this will not be weathered by wishful thinking but by sustained resistance and resolve...

 

[VCheng]

As they say, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. Those who still refuse to acknowledge the reality of February 8 and the unmistakable public sentiment hardly merit a response. You’re free to live in your delusions...

Right back at you, sir.

Reality remains as it is, of course. Two years and counting, and we shall whose description of reality is closer to the truth. I have never been a cheerleading for the military gross misuses of extra Consitutional authority, but I also am able to see the sad reality of IK's position which was always more claim than fact.

Let me be extra charitable and say that perhaps if there were any actual results, or even some evidence of what is bein claimed, I would happily change my stance.

 

[VCheng]

Bro that’s not a good argument. Everything has a beginning and an end, whether they want to end this with dignity or flee like Hasina Wajid that’s up to them.

It is not a argument, merely a statement of fact.

I have consistently said that The military is wrong to usurp illegal powers that place it above the Consitution, but I also can see that IK was merely another pawn installed, and removed, by them, and not the revolutionaly messiah some still hope he might be. He is not.

As to who flees the country in the coming months or years, we shall see.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Right back at you, sir.

Reality remains as it is, of course. Two years and counting, and we shall whose description of reality is closer to the truth. I have never been a cheerleading for the military gross misuses of extra Consitutional authority, but I also am able to see the sad reality of IK's position which was always more claim than fact.

Let me be extra charitable and say that perhaps if there were any actual results, or even some evidence of what is bein claimed, I would happily change my stance.

Once more, sire, you are at liberty to dwell in your delusions, to find satisfaction in the notion that the country which once wronged you so gravely that you were forced to flee for your life is forever in flames and is beyond redemption.... We, who remain in Pakistan, entertain different expectations and pursue different designs... Cheers.

 

[VCheng]

We, who remain in Pakistan, entertain different expectations and pursue different designs... Cheers.

Entertaining dreams and hopes is nothing without actual results.

Pakistan is the same as it ever was, IK or no IK. Ergo, Pakistanis are content with the state of affairs in Pakistan, regardless of what they claim. Otherwise, change would actually happen.

Where is it?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Entertaining dreams and hopes is nothing without actual results.

Pakistan is the same as it ever was, IK or no IK. Ergo, Pakistanis are content with the state of affairs in Pakistan, regardless of what they claim. Otherwise, change would actually happen.

Where is it?

Well, sire, Rome was not built in a day... and patience is a virtue. Inshallah, we shall prevail.... All in good time.... there is no need for undue concern regarding our efforts or their outcomes... You would do well to concern yourself with Brother Jonathan instead.....

 

[VCheng]

All in good time...

Of course.

Apparently, that time is not yet, clearly, please take note of that implict admission.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Of course.

Apparently, that time is not yet, clearly, please take note of that implict admission.

Well, that depends upon how one defines "yet." In ordinary discourse, it signifies the immediate present, the moment as it stands.

Yet, when viewed through the lens of a nation's history, "yet" transcends the fleeting instant... it marks a phase, a deliberate course set in motion, whose consequences unfold across time...

 

[VCheng]

Well, that depends upon how one defines "yet." In ordinary discourse, it signifies the immediate present, the moment as it stands.

Yet, when viewed through the lens of a nation's history, "yet" transcends the fleeting instant... it marks a phase, a deliberate course set in motion, whose consequences unfold across time...

Fair enough, but it seems that we both agree that it will cetainly take a much longer time than what many here quite impatiently wish to see happen.

I wish your efforts every luck of course, but with the observation that tangible results or even improvements, are likely to take the time scale of several decades at least , if not longer.

Much is going to change in terms of people and personalities within that timeframe. That much is clear already. The present actors will fade away soon enough.

 

[Respect4Respect]

It is not a argument, merely a statement of fact.

I have consistently said that The military is wrong to usurp illegal powers that place it above the Consitution, but I also can see that IK was merely another pawn installed, and removed, by them, and not the revolutionaly messiah some still hope he might be. He is not.

As to who flees the country in the coming months or years, we shall see.

The establishment hijacked his popularity and installed a few pawns like Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan who were later used to topple his government. Nobody calls him a 'messiah' except those trying to mock him. You need to understand that Imran Khan is a human being and like all of us he’s prone to making mistakes. Nobody is perfect.

You might not like IK but you have to respect the voter base that showed up and voted for him despite the hurdles thrown by the Election Commission, Faiz Isa, and the Establishment.
Your anger should be directed at the power usurpers who violate their own oath and damage institutions and the country in the long run. Asim Munir and co will retire and leave but who will clean up the mess they’ve made in Kashmir and KPK with their reckless games? I won’t even get into Balochistan as that tragedy is decades old.

Don’t hate politicians, they can be voted out if they fail. But the GHQ snakes? If you don’t wake up they’ll repeat 1971.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Fair enough, but it seems that we both agree that it will cetainly take a much longer time than what many here quite impatiently wish to see happen.

I wish your efforts every luck of course, but with the observation that tangible results or even improvements, are likely to take the time scale of several decades at least , if not longer.

Much is going to change in terms of people and personalities within that timeframe. That much is clear already. The present actors will fade away soon enough.

I can agree with most of that, though I would question the timescale... it could be shorter, even if a decade is a mere moment in the nation’s history...

As for the present actors, I believe they have played their part.... Those who follow personalities blindly will lose their way once the individual is gone... those who embrace the ideals will carry forward the struggle until Haqeeqi Azadi is achieved... Ironically, the only force capable of halting this progress is IK himself returning to power (if, after compromising with the powers that be) within his lifetime...

 

[alphapak]

It’s shocking tbh, but this is a defense forum, so plenty of pro-army voices are active here. On the ground though, people hurl such abuse at them that I can’t even post those words online.

They have a Dirty Harry social media team that works on different shifts, day and night
they have to target the largest political party. Then they say we are neutral and these
goons are breaking their own oath Infront of Allah of not to interfere in politics.

Then they have also outsourced to Laal Topi social media team and also Goon League
sm team.

Secret Pakistani Program Directs Military Officers to Attack Social Media Critics and "Digital Terrorists"

In an unprecedented step, the army has ordered thousands of field officers to wage online war against supporters of deposed former prime minister Imran Khan and other opposition voices

www.dropsitenews.com

 

[VCheng]

Your anger should be directed at the power usurpers who violate their own oath and damage institutions and the country in the long run.

My views on the military and its illegalities are well known on PDF for over a decade, and remain unchanged. However, the path to putting everything back into its Consitutionally mandated space is going to take gradual steps over a longer time scale. Please also see below.

I can agree with most of that, though I would question the timescale... it could be shorter, even if a decade is a mere moment in the nation’s history...

Yes, the timescale could be shorter than what I describe, and in fact, I would hope so. However, the only thing that temprs my optimism from being irrationally exuberant is evidence, of which there is precious little thus far.