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[Respect4Respect]

IK must make peace with the Pak Deep State, or die....

Which side did you take during the Turkish army’s attempt to overthrow Erdogan's government?

 

[diaspora]

"Work" with them? You mean like boot licking?


A person in prison for the past 2 years, who ain’t even allowed to communicate with his own CM of KPK is somehow "impeding" the army? Are you for real?

That's a very interesting point. Other than Aleema Khan bringing out instructions for Gandapur and Afridi do we know who's blasting those tweets from his X handle?

 

[Forsvaret]

That's a very interesting point. Other than Aleema Khan bringing out instructions for Gandapur and Afridi do we know who's blasting those tweets from his X handle?

Those blasting tweets are a replica of Imran Khan’s messages from prison. Is the entire state of Pakistan running scared of one man’s tweets? Come on!

 

[diaspora]

Those blasting tweets are a replica of Imran Khan’s messages from prison. Is the entire state of Pakistan running scared of one man’s tweets? Come on!

Countries work on public trust and national sentiment. Unfortunately for Pakistan, Khan's tweets influence a substantial demographic of Pakistanis. This in turn impacts national initiatives. A good example is Khan's resistance to military operations in the frontier belt, and vitriol for Asim Muneer. His tweets are amplified by RAW bots and anti-state elements so much so that you will find otherwise well-meaning individuals calling the army napak and murtad and bashing the incumbent government for being terrorists, US lackeys, zionists and all sorts of nonsense. Pakistan desperately needs to curb the menace of terrorism and without clearing out the tribal strongholds, enduring peace will always be elusive. KPs stance on these operations is well-known. They happen anyway but the local population has no trust in the state's security apparatus.

That aside what puzzles me most is Khan's alignment with Afghan interests. I don't understand what he gains from platforming nationalists like Mahmood Achakzai.

Khan is not an insignificant person and words have tremendous power. Unfortunately he wields his speech to many a detriment of the people.

 

[Forsvaret]

They happen anyway but the local population has no trust in the state's security apparatus.

That's right and this is where the real issue lies. Mistrust between state apparatus and the people of Pakistan. This huge mistrust has further led to public at large simply stopped buying the state's narrative and rather putting its faith & trust in an imprisoned civilian leader instead. Go figure!

 

[diaspora]

That's right and this is where the real issue lies. Mistrust between state apparatus and the people of Pakistan. This huge mistrust has further led to public at large simply stopped buying the state's narrative and rather putting its faith & trust in an imprisoned civilian leader instead. Go figure!

Which is unfortunate - because Khan is disconnected from onground realities. He's been locked up for almost 2 years now and things have changed outside of Adiala. Worse yet, Khan will say and do everything to hurt the incumbent government. The latter being fine if it did not so severely impact national stability.

Before Khan rode to the PM house under the steer of Faiz and Bajwa, Khan aligned himself with Tahir ul Qadri and Khadim Rizvi. This alignment was opportunistic - Khan did not share the political sentiment of either of these two groups. The pairing with Minhaj and the TLP exerted significant policial pressure on the government and the timing of the events, including the sit-ins, encorached on the PML-N votebank and gave Khan the breathing space he needed to ultimately make government. This opportunism and political maneuvering ultimately led to the ransacking of Jarranwala and the murder of many a people at the hands of the very TLP that Khan aligned with, and Bajwa famously handed out money to. Nobody had heard of the TLP before that fateful sit-in. Khan's association with them gave that band of ruffians an immense amount of overnight credibility. That is where the PTI, in my opinion, under Khan's leadership errs. Why does Khan align with such groups? Because it works well to disrupt the governement. Any pain point the government has, Khan will press it even if it leads to national instability. Heck he called for it himself, civil disobedience. Basically "Khan nahin, tau Kuch nahin". It's sad to see that this is what it has come to - he had such immense potential. We're at the juncture where i'm criticizing his support for TTA, TTP, TLP and Achakzai.

 

[pakistanyat]

Imran Khan is a good, charismatic man. He is well-meaning and well-intentioned but he is short on strategy and execution. The worse thing he did after being elected was he kept $hitting on the same ole Nawaz, Zardari, Shabaz. Once in power, he needed to build alliance with scoundrels. That is how politics worked. Instead he made an enemy with semmingly everyone and the ultimate sin in pakistani politics: say something to those sensitive warriors in Khaki. At the end of the day though -- he had the people's vote and for him to rot in jail is just one more sad commentary on Pakistan.

 

[HAIDER]

After the failed mission Noor, now mission Darood by Qadianis? PTI candidates badly lost in every polling station in supreme court bar association elections in KPK. These results show, PTI will badly lose in general elections to be held in 2029.

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When you have Form 47 power,,,,what you need....citizens go to hell....might is right

 

[gamaji]

When you have Form 47 power,,,,what you need....citizens go to hell....might is right

Keep crying. No one takes crying babies seriously.

 

[LC150]

Nelson Mandela never went personal. This Asian Mandela only gets personal.

I hear you had a burger with out tomatoes today ?

 

[mageera]

I am not familiar with pak politics , for how many years he is sentenced ?

 

[M. Sarmad]

. He just needs to stop resisting the deep state and work with them.

Don't be KPK's version of Altaf Hussain

You, my friend, just don’t get it, do you?.... In Pakistan’s political arena, the military establishment (thanks to the enduring folly of those duffers sitting in Pindi, calling the shots) has become a poisoned chalice, a plague upon all it touches... If IK decided to cozy up to the deep state (or start polishing boots, to put it bluntly), he’d just become another disposable pawn, as irrelevant as the others... no different from the rest of the spineless herd... It would be political suicide, something a sportsman like IK is far too shrewd to commit...

 

[Oscar]

You, my friend, just don’t get it, do you?.... In Pakistan’s political arena, the military establishment (thanks to the enduring folly of those duffers sitting in Pindi, calling the shots) has become a poisoned chalice, a plague upon all it touches... If IK decided to cozy up to the deep state (or start polishing boots, to put it bluntly), he’d just become another disposable pawn, as irrelevant as the others... no different from the rest of the spineless herd... It would be political suicide, something a sportsman like IK is far too shrewd to commit...

That being said you cannot have any change without a majority of the military supporting you. Or rather the Corps Commanders. The problem therein is that unlike popular views not every CC(who do not all hold equal influence or mobilized "assets") wants to actively meddle in politics or governance and instead is a case of voicing support for the 40-50% that do engage in it. In terms of either passive fiefdoms or actively advocating using military channels to go against it.

After all, IK was still a Bajwa and Faiz +1 project. Everyone else KNEW ABOUT IT but grapevine was only 2 openly objected and supposedly 1 interfered due to their noon links. When it was time for IK to go Bajwa got his cabal assembled and on board who then gave the thumbs up to the PDM movement. Was it current COAS or Bajwa or otherwise pulling every string?
That is not the modus operandi but instead is enabling connections and playbooks to let such movements go and then twisting the arms of players that can enable "ciphers" and whatnot.

For his idiocy in trying to pick a fight with everyone and compromising for his ego(and Melisandre) - IK basically sacrificed the middle class's best chance of taking Pakistan.
After all, what is the gang to do when Scrappy doo keeps going "let me at em!" ?

 

[Cipher212]

That being said you cannot have any change without a majority of the military supporting you. Or rather the Corps Commanders. The problem therein is that unlike popular views not every CC(who do not all hold equal influence or mobilized "assets") wants to actively meddle in politics or governance and instead is a case of voicing support for the 40-50% that do engage in it. In terms of either passive fiefdoms or actively advocating using military channels to go against it.

After all, IK was still a Bajwa and Faiz +1 project. Everyone else KNEW ABOUT IT but grapevine was only 2 openly objected and supposedly 1 interfered due to their noon links. When it was time for IK to go Bajwa got his cabal assembled and on board who then gave the thumbs up to the PDM movement. Was it current COAS or Bajwa or otherwise pulling every string?
That is not the modus operandi but instead is enabling connections and playbooks to let such movements go and then twisting the arms of players that can enable "ciphers" and whatnot.

For his idiocy in trying to pick a fight with everyone and compromising for his ego(and Melisandre) - IK basically sacrificed the middle class's best chance of taking Pakistan.
After all, what is the gang to do when Scrappy doo keeps going "let me at em!" ?

It's good that he picked a fight with everyone and exposed the system as much as he has for the general public. Before calling IK then unreasonable always remember he's not the one in power illegally.

Had he been a good establishment pet he'd have done 2 terms and be gone.

 

[Respect4Respect]

After all, IK was still a Bajwa and Faiz +1 project. Everyone else KNEW ABOUT IT but grapevine was only 2 openly objected and supposedly 1 interfered due to their noon links. When it was time for IK to go Bajwa got his cabal assembled and on board who then gave the thumbs up to the PDM movement. Was it current COAS or Bajwa or otherwise pulling every string?
That is not the modus operandi but instead is enabling connections and playbooks to let such movements go and then twisting the arms of players that can enable "ciphers" and whatnot.

Respectfully I disagree. IMO the establishment did not manufacture Imran Khan, they just exploited his popularity inserting their own pawns and later claiming credit for his success. If they truly possessed the ability to create leaders then Nawaz Sharif and Maryam would not have lost Punjab despite establishment backing. Jahangir Tareen’s party would not have collapsed, Pervez Khattak and Sher Afzal Marwat wouldn't have faded into political obscurity. Mustafa Kamal once touted as MQM’s replacement would not have been forgotten...and now with reports of GHQ attempting to assemble a new party around Shahid Afridi, Iqrar ul Hassan and Jawad Ahmad , we can only conclude that their “leadership engineering” is more illusion than reality.