Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[Meengla]

Pak and turkiye establishments are already partially occupied by the west to be fair, there is no way these countries will even lift a finger at israel even if israel drop bombs in their capitals, its an open secret that mossad is active in balochistan causing unrest yet pakistan has not even uttered a single word of condemnation against the entity unfortunately, they just conveniently hide behind the old slogan of two state solution w.r.t palestine while doing absolutely nothing to achieve it.

Surprised that as a Pakistani you didn't mention the bitter direct multiple times the Pakistani UN diplomats fought with Israel during the Gaza war and strongly condemn Israel by its name multiple times when this war was launched on Iran. The Iranian officials know that Pakistan stood out among the Muslim nations. And there is not much Pakistan can do given Pakistan's West-dependent economy AND two long hostile border (India and Afghanistan). Besides that, Iran is doing a decent job of fighting back.

 

[Pakistan First]

Actually Professor has all the right reasons with him. The Israel / US were aggressor, did unprovoked attacked. Iran wasn't a threat to US. The whole war was on behest of Israel. They assassinate leaders and do genocides. I think Professor can easily avoid bringing Epstien in every statement as it only gives an excuse to these "journalists" as oh Professor is making conspiracy theories. The geopolitics and these wars are not happening because of Epstien. The war is because Israel wanted Iran to fail as a nation state, erupt into civil war and wanted to turn into into what Syria went through.

 

[Pakistan First]

Pak and turkiye establishments are already partially occupied by the west to be fair, there is no way these countries will even lift a finger at israel even if israel drop bombs in their capitals

Bro, Pak / Turkey establishments can be partially occupied / influenced by west. But saying they won't lift a finger even if Israel drop bombs in their capital is just the most unbelievable and unimaginable thing ever. Something which in impractical.

Its simply is IMPOSSIBLE to not respond. It completely destroys the reputation of the "establishments" in and outside the country's. The people will burn down everything if there is no response. However, you can make a point that because the establishments in these countries are already onboard with west, so its highly unlikely that any war would happen at first place.

Your argument is self contradictory, because if the establishments are already on board with west then there is absolutely no point for Israel to attack these countries at first place. If and Once that attack happens, everything changes. Any understanding with Israel/west collapses and establishments are left with absolutely no choice but to respond.

 

[Hayabusa]

You are thinking too highly of these nations, except Iran none of these nations will do anything.

You would actually be surprised. It all comes down to a country's willpower eventually. But this conflict have really put a spotlight on some major US vulnerabilities, and it won't be long before every adversary starts using the exact same playbook Iran has.

The militaries will possibly employ hunkering down, surviving the initial two week onslaught, while dragging the conflict out into a long war of attrition. In addition, just have missiles and drones capable of hitting US interests in the region.

These militaries should also throw in some strategic adjustments through learning from Iran's recent blunders such as actually fielding a functional air force. Eventually, it will becomes a whole different ballgame.

 

[Pakistan First]

Neither Pakistan or Turkey would attack, both have serious issues in being in a sustained war. U.S. prevented an LNG tanker from going to Pakistan. What did Pakistan do about it? Nothing.

I somewhat agree with other contents of your post except the above part. I completely disagree with the above paragraph. Its certainly impossible for nation of Pakistan to be attacked by a zionist state and not respond. There could be military generals who are "friends" of US but there are many who absolutely disgust the Zionist state. It will become utmost important for establishment's own survival to give a response to the attack. Infact they take such opportunity to improve their popularity and support in the country.

Sustained war would be massive problem for Israel too. The distance is just too much. For PAF, it could air refuel over Iran (given a friendly territory). Can Israel do the same ? It would be much more challenging for Israel to do sustained attacks Pakistan.

There will be no war bw these two anyways. If ever it happens it will be just 1 or 2 attacks that are responded by the same measure. There's no chance for sustain war. There's no point in that. If push comes to the shove then by all means Pakistan can do sustain war. War of survival makes you do wonders. We endured all sort of sanctions to pursue our nuclear weapon program. We can pursue a longer war if ever it is imposed.

 

[KAL-EL]

Keeping it real includes acknowledgment that the US is fighting this war on behalf of another nation.

No one is benefiting other than that said nation.

Americans cheerleading for that nation despite this fact is sad and pathetic.

Well, in this case you're preaching to The choir. The majority of Americans don't want any part of this war. FYI

Obviously Israel plays a big part in starting this needless war.

 

[KAL-EL]

Who's the one starting the threat of energy facilities attack and make uninhabitable the other country? Iran or USA/Israel?

Well there's no disputing that. I was just stating what might happen if that serious escalation were ro come true

 

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[Ali_Baba]

Well, in this case you're preaching to The choir. The majority of Americans don't want any part of this war. FYI

Obviously Israel plays a big part in starting this needless war.

And - maybe one day, your politicians would listen to the American public and their interests, and actually not take instructions from Israel one day?

 

[Aryan_B]

Sustained war would be massive problem for Israel too. The distance is just too much. For PAF, it could air refuel over Iran (given a friendly territory). Can Israel do the same ?

cow urine drinkers in east would supply bases to Jews

 

[SolarWarden]

In a few days IRGC will attack a butt and Orangeman will bomb coastal defenses and few days later he will threaten to bomb their infrastructure.... rinse and repeat.

 

[gangsta_rap]

The majority of Americans don't want any part of this war. FYI

Absolutely false. The majority of Americans voted for trump and they approve of his bellicose foreign policy and gangster mindset against the world ('owning the libs' and all).

The only thing causing a slight change in mindset for MAGA voters (majority of Americans) is the resilience that Iran has shown so far and the blowback in costs that the US is encountering.

Most braindead voter base ever....

 

[Ali_Baba]

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[030292]

Absolutely false. The majority of Americans voted for trump and they approve of his bellicose foreign policy and gangster mindset against the world ('owning the libs' and all).

The only thing causing a slight change in mindset for MAGA voters (majority of Americans) is the resilience that Iran has shown so far and the blowback in costs that the US is encountering.

Most braindead voter base ever....

Indeed, americans didnt do shit when us army invaded venezuela and kidnapped their head of state, neither they would do anything to put a stop to their elected leader's mindless wars, the only reason there is a fringe pushback against the iran war is because iran has the weapons to fightback, nobody in american public would have talked about it if iran collapsed after the initial assassinations of its leaders just like venezuela.

America wasted $8 trillions fighting israeli wars in middle east killing millions of innocent muslims since 2001, if they were as virtues as the american public claims to be, there would have been a revolution in america long ago.