Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-found-out-trump-canceled-major-iran-attack-through-his-truth-post-report/

Don’t know who to believe with all of these reports going around did Trump chicken out or is just pushing it back to get more assets to the region

 

[030292]

Ok now what?!?!

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/iran-rejects-us-backed-deal-to-reopen-strait-of-hormuz-what-uae-residents-need-to-know-1.500628374

Trump is negotiating with himself.

 

[Master Chief]

You are thinking too highly of these nations, except Iran none of these nations will do anything.

Alternatively, you might wish to ask if these other nations are stupid enough to reveal what they are quietly achieving behind closed doors without rattling sabers every 5 minutes.

Iran's work to halt the tide of zionist expansion is commendable, of course it is, and it has been paid for with Iranian blood, which we all acknowledge.

However, it must be emphasised that we are observing the machinations of a great game, broadly speaking being fought between west and east. That game requires participants to act with guile and discretion. We should all probably - and I hate to say it - take a leaf out of Israel's book.

 

[BHAN85]

That's certainly true Israel is not immune,, but if that were to happen then Tehran (or some other city) might not be inhabitable for a thousand years.

The destruction would be on both sides.

We have to keep it real here

Who's the one starting the threat of energy facilities attack and make uninhabitable the other country? Iran or USA/Israel?

 

[Pakistan First]

You are thinking too highly of these nations, except Iran none of these nations will do anything.

Iran would NEVER have attacked Israel too.

Iran only responded when Israel did an unprovoked attack, killed Iranian leaders, killed their scientists, killed ordinary Iranian people, bombed their nuclear sites etc. It was a large scale unprovoked attack.

and if you think Israel can do it against Turkey, or Pakistan and they won't do anything?? then its just pure false assumption with no ground.

Remember, Iran would NEVER have attacked Israel too. For 3 years Israel was carrying out genocide at Gaza. But It only responded when an unprecedented, surprised attack on nation state of Iran was launched by Israel. The attack on Israel wasn't for Palestine. It was for Iran. Always remember that bit.

However, you can make an argument that Israel will never even go to war with Turkey, Pakistan etc as these countries are no threat to Israel's interests in the region. That argument still will have some weight. I also think that Israel don't need to attack Turkey, Pakistan and its not even in the position to do so. It will have no support from the world and it will create extreme security situation for itself by doing so. It will be a blunder by Israelis of epic proportions. So they are never going to do so in foreseeable future. Iran will remain their number.1 target for foreseeable future.

 

[Avicenna]

That's certainly true Israel is not immune,, but if that were to happen then Tehran (or some other city) might not be inhabitable for a thousand years.

The destruction would be on both sides.

We have to keep it real here

Keeping it real includes acknowledgment that the US is fighting this war on behalf of another nation.

No one is benefiting other than that said nation.

Americans cheerleading for that nation despite this fact is sad and pathetic.

 

[BHAN85]

Keeping it real includes acknowledgment that the US is fighting this war on behalf of another nation.

No one is benefiting other than that said nation.

Americans cheerleading for that nation despite this fact is sad and pathetic.

That is not see big picture.

Israel corrupt leaders are only the useful idiots.

Who is benefiting from USA tariffs and Nordstream blast? The same who's benefiting from Hormuz closure: USA ruling elite.

They don't need so many slaves when raw materials and energy supply could become a future problem for them besides ascending China.

True is simple.

The hard is the mountain of USA bullshit nonsenses repeated ad nauseam

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran would NEVER have attacked Israel too.

Iran only responded when Israel did an unprovoked attack, killed Iranian leaders, killed their scientists, killed ordinary Iranian people, bombed their nuclear sites etc. It was a large scale unprovoked attack.

and if you think Israel can do it against Turkey, or Pakistan and they won't do anything?? then its just pure false assumption with no ground.

Remember, Iran would NEVER have attacked Israel too. For 3 years Israel was carrying out genocide at Gaza. But It only responded when an unprecedented, surprised attack on nation state of Iran was launched by Israel. The attack on Israel wasn't for Palestine. It was for Iran. Always remember that bit.

However, you can make an argument that Israel will never even go to war with Turkey, Pakistan etc as these countries are no threat to Israel's interests in the region. That argument still will have some weight. I also think that Israel don't need to attack Turkey, Pakistan and its not even in the position to do so. It will have no support from the world and it will create extreme security situation for itself by doing so. It will be a blunder by Israelis of epic proportions. So they are never going to do so in foreseeable future. Iran will remain their number.1 target for foreseeable future.

not exactly true. Iran launched 300 missiles/drones at Israel after they assassinated Haniyeh in Tehran, then launched another 200 missiles at Israel when they bombed a building connected to Iran's consulate in Damascus.

 

[Immortals]

Iran would NEVER have attacked Israel too.

Of course because attacking Israel, is attacking America.

Iran’s strategy was never a direct war with Israel it was a suffocation strategy. The goal was to build a ring of fire around Israel until Israel implodes from its social demographic issues and America loses its superpower status under its massive debt burden and a rising China. It was a game of patience.

The ring of fire compromised of Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad, Iraq, Yemen and as a future project Jordan.

However, Israel got a gift from Hamas who went suicidal and destroyed themselves in Oct 2023. Assad couldn’t reunify the country and neither Russia nor Iran had tens of billions of dollars to prop him up under brutal Western sanctions, so Syria fell under economy collapse same way Venezuela did. The military and officials turned on their leader and stopped fighting.

Right then and there the ring of strategy fell apart as Israel poked a hole in two fronts and went on the counter offensive. The rest is history and doesn’t need explaining.

But Iran at one point was patrolling the Golan heights and the Lebanon/Israel border. So it’s impressive a country that nearly 1800KM away was able to patrol Israel’s borders. Can Saudi Arabia say that? Can Qatar say that? Can Turkey say that? Can Pakistan say that? No. Not even Saddam (the strongest Arab leader in recent history) could say that.

and if you think Israel can do it against Turkey, or Pakistan and they won't do anything?? then its just pure false assumption with no ground.

Neither Pakistan or Turkey would attack, both have serious issues in being in a sustained war. U.S. prevented an LNG tanker from going to Pakistan. What did Pakistan do about it? Nothing.

Do we really think Pakistan is going to war with Israel when it has to borrow money from IMF and Arab countries just to survive? Do we think Erodgan of Turkey is going to go to war with Israel when the Turkish Lira has lost 99% of its value against the dollar? When they have had to sell tons of gold on open market to keep the economy alive?

Neither Turkey nor Pakistan has the war chest or energy independence for such a move.

You can point to your fighter jets and your missiles and your fancy weaponary, but none of that matters if you don’t have money and energy to feed your war machine. War runs on molecules and gold, not weapons. Before the war, Putin had amassed a war chest of nearly 500B dollars. Russia can feed its war machine with its own oil and natural gas. That is why Russia is able to fight indefinitely.

Pakistan and Turkey have neither of these. And in case of Iran it may have the energy independence to supply its war machine, but lacks the needed war chest for a sustained conflict.

 

[030292]

However, you can make an argument that Israel will never even go to war with Turkey, Pakistan etc as these countries are no threat to Israel's interests in the region. That argument still will have some weight. I also think that Israel don't need to attack Turkey, Pakistan and its not even in the position to do so. It will have no support from the world and it will create extreme security situation for itself by doing so. It will be a blunder by Israelis of epic proportions. So they are never going to do so in foreseeable future. Iran will remain their number.1 target for foreseeable future.

Pak and turkiye establishments are already partially occupied by the west to be fair, there is no way these countries will even lift a finger at israel even if israel drop bombs in their capitals, its an open secret that mossad is active in balochistan causing unrest yet pakistan has not even uttered a single word of condemnation against the entity unfortunately, they just conveniently hide behind the old slogan of two state solution w.r.t palestine while doing absolutely nothing to achieve it.

 

[Desert]

Why does Egypt always end up in these lists? What have they done in the last half century to inspire confidence that they wouldn't sell their mother for the right price?

(I'm refering to the government - the Egyptian people are great.)

Well, among all middle eastern and islamic nations , Egypt was the one to suffer so much when it comes to wars against the west and israel.
we went in wars against em several times , in 1948 , in 1956 (vs france,israel and u.k) , in 1967, in 1969 , and in 1973.

so basically we did a lot but well not all people will see that.

 

[Watandar]

Of course because attacking Israel, is attacking America.

Iran’s strategy was never a direct war with Israel it was a suffocation strategy. The goal was to build a ring of fire around Israel until Israel implodes from its social demographic issues and America loses its superpower status under its massive debt burden and a rising China. It was a game of patience.

The ring of fire compromised of Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad, Iraq, Yemen and as a future project Jordan.

However, Israel got a gift from Hamas who went suicidal and destroyed themselves in Oct 2023. Assad couldn’t reunify the country and neither Russia nor Iran had tens of billions of dollars to prop him up under brutal Western sanctions, so Syria fell under economy collapse same way Venezuela did. The military and officials turned on their leader and stopped fighting.

Right then and there the ring of strategy fell apart as Israel poked a hole in two fronts and went on the counter offensive. The rest is history and doesn’t need explaining.

But Iran at one point was patrolling the Golan heights and the Lebanon/Israel border. So it’s impressive a country that nearly 1800KM away was able to patrol Israel’s borders. Can Saudi Arabia say that? Can Qatar say that? Can Turkey say that? Can Pakistan say that? No. Not even Saddam (the strongest Arab leader in recent history) could say that.



Neither Pakistan or Turkey would attack, both have serious issues in being in a sustained war. U.S. prevented an LNG tanker from going to Pakistan. What did Pakistan do about it? Nothing.

Do we really think Pakistan is going to war with Israel when it has to borrow money from IMF and Arab countries just to survive? Do we think Erodgan of Turkey is going to go to war with Israel when the Turkish Lira has lost 99% of its value against the dollar? When they have had to sell tons of gold on open market to keep the economy alive?

Neither Turkey nor Pakistan has the war chest or energy independence for such a move.

You can point to your fighter jets and your missiles and your fancy weaponary, but none of that matters if you don’t have money and energy to feed your war machine. War runs on molecules and gold, not weapons. Before the war, Putin had amassed a war chest of nearly 500B dollars. Russia can feed its war machine with its own oil and natural gas. That is why Russia is able to fight indefinitely.

Pakistan and Turkey have neither of these. And in case of Iran it may have the energy independence to supply its war machine, but lacks the needed war chest for a sustained conflict.

Maybe OT for a bit but what was this future project in Jordan ? I have never heard of that.

 

[hussain0216]

You are thinking too highly of these nations, except Iran none of these nations will do anything.

Who kicked the U.S out of Afghanistan?
Who has nuclear weapons?