Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BHAN85]

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The reformist and pragmatists will try to convince the system (and Mojtaba) to take this treasonous deal.

Iran MUST REFUSE

Why?

They can accept the deal, take the money to build more missiles and drones and attack.

That was Obama Iran deal jcpoa 2015 basically .

The people who take decisions in USA they don't want to win Iran war, they want to disrupt Hormuz traffic, this Iran war was decided by same people who decided tariffs or Nordstream blast, same economic target.

So you can expect all kind of help from USA ruling elite to make bigger the war, starting by giving money to Iran.

Centcom in particular and USA army in general are just the useful idiots of USA bankers, their own leaders give money and resources to their enemies.

 

[ShapurII]

I think Iran isnt making the war costly enough for America and the Arabs. Israel is well protected, and no amount of damage is going to make them back down. Its a religious war for them. They need to fulfill their prophecy. Even if we win and outlast Trump. The Israelis will do everything they can to influence the next president and push for another war.

Which is why nuclear deterrence is a must for Iran.

 

[Arash]

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[Professor Jiang]

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No idea why journalists like this are always so mindblown by non-specific platitudes that come out of these things. Need to prioritise dialogue, negotiated diplomatic solution, mutual security, de-escalation, etc.

 

[BHAN85]

What a clown this guy is, if any muslim had invoked Quran, then he will be called a fundamentalist, hardliner ....

Can't believe we are seeing this in United States.

They are Satanist hardliner

If you try to search a single quote of Jesus Christ justifying crusades or war you won't find a single damn thing, because it doesn't exist such thing.

They have to search in old testament Jewish books to support their war justifying delusions.

If they worship something besides money, it must be Satan.

 

[Nawnaw1]

The second paragraph of the part I have quoted is exactly what I'm worried about. Of course, the US wouldn't launch a ground invasion of Iran when it knows Iran can fight back and defeat them. They will wait until Iran has been weakened enough after multiple rounds of war and months of blockade.

The truth is that Iran cannot sustain this situation for 2 years. After 6 months to 12 months at best, assuming the same intensity since February 28th, most of our missiles capable of hitting Jordan and Israel will have been used. We're already firing unpainted missiles, which means that we're getting close to the end of our old missile stockpile.

Using FPVs is a great solution provided that Iran can mass produce them in millions. Ukraine is producing 6 million FPVs per year and it's still losing territory to Russia! 6 million FPVs in a year, that is possibly beyond Iran's industrial capacity in this situation. The US Army is better organized and equipped than the Russians and Iran does not have the entire NATO backing it unlike Ukraine. Unlike Ukraine, nobody is going to donate $300-$400 billion to Iran to fight against the US.


Israel is pretty OK with the situation of the Strait of Hormuz as it has been lobbying to turn Israel into a major route for energy transport. Arabs are panicking and the US feels its hegemony has been challenged. Other than that, the Strait of Hormuz isn't the main concern or issue in the long term. Iran's nuclear program and our ballistic missiles continue to remain the real issues. Even our proxies are no longer a major issue.

Russia is something else than some MEK/separatists armed from abroad. Let's be reasonable here, Russia has at least 700k men, battle hardened first world army, operating at the frontlines. With that army, they would have taken Iran 5 times over, regardless of FPV drones. This is not apples to apples comparison.

And no, it appears, lets hope I'm right, that the plan B is too costly, or has decided to be too costly. It appears US decision makers, especially Vance and Rubio, who both wanna run in 2028, have also pressured Trump to halt. Why? Even hitting Iranian energy won't fix the problem, the strait HAS to reopen (can't close it, and now Mandab, even if a bit leaky, for 2 years, that's just impossible).

It appears a mou 2.0 is coming and this time the US will do what it said, or at least mostly.

It seems sometimes even a declining superpower, even if run by juice, will hit a brick wall and walk back.

And one of the reasons I want to say this is this: the satanyahu/Trump meeting was very short. Nothing meaningful can be decided in a very short meaning, except a big fat NO! Satanyahu is talking in the press about how Hormuz is Iran's now (because he said WE will help bypass it in the future). That's a loser's spin. Yeah go build pipelines for years to bypass something. Sure.

 

[UberShock]

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[Ali_Baba]

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lol - they want to flush out all the oil tankers quickly so that global oil reserves can be filled with all the blockaded tankers before coming back at Iran again. This would devalue the point of a blockade as it builds in a significant delay/lag on when the flow of oil can be stopped or controlled by Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

Russia is something else than some MEK/separatists armed from abroad. Let's be reasonable here, Russia has at least 700k men, battle hardened first world army, operating at the frontlines. With that army, they would have taken Iran 5 times over, regardless of FPV drones. This is not apples to apples comparison.

And no, it appears, lets hope I'm right, that the plan B is too costly, or has decided to be too costly. It appears US decision makers, especially Vance and Rubio, who both wanna run in 2028, have also pressured Trump to halt. Why? Even hitting Iranian energy won't fix the problem, the strait HAS to reopen (can't close it, and now Mandab, even if a bit leaky, for 2 years, that's just impossible).

It appears a mou 2.0 is coming and this time the US will do what it said, or at least mostly.

It seems sometimes even a declining superpower, even if run by juice, will hit a brick wall and walk back.

And one of the reasons I want to say this is this: the satanyahu/Trump meeting was very short. Nothing meaningful can be decided in a very short meaning, except a big fat NO! Satanyahu is talking in the press about how Hormuz is Iran's now (because he said WE will help bypass it in the future). That's a loser's spin. Yeah go build pipelines for years to bypass something. Sure.

Russia started their "special operations" with barely 150K-200K soldiers. It took 4 years for the Russians to increase their troops to 700K.

Also, nobody was comparing Russia to MEK/separatists. We were comparing Russia to the US Army, and yes, the US Army is much better equipped than the Russian armed forces and unlike Russia, they won't intend to blitzkrieg through Iran to Tehran. Their plan is to take some of our Iranian islands and possibly the energy-rich Khuzestan and Bushehr. Insurgency will be only a distraction, not part of their actual plan. And Russia hasn't been able to establish air superiority over Ukraine yet, while the US will be able to establish air superiority over Iran, even if we claim they haven't done it yet. So, apples and oranges.

Even if the Kurdish insurgents can disrupt our imports/exports from our western borders, that will be a huge problem for us. The US has been talking about enforcing a land blockade recently and this is an actual possibility that has to be considered.

The US will never honor any of its MoUs or even UNSC-approved agreements with Iran. Let's forget that idea because it is not realistic. As long as the US thinks it can bully Iran, it will do so. Iran needs some sort of strong deterrence to fight back, not a memorandum of understanding to give more time to the US to prepare for the next round.

 

[ShapurII]

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This is the most idiotic proposal I have read. Who do they think they are fooling?

If the Islamic Republic accepts this stupid proposal, God help us.

 

[mangekyo]

Which is why nuclear deterrence is a must for Iran.

The main problem is that we are sabotaging ourselves. I don’t see the point in closing and reopening Hormuz. Allowing «partners» to transport oil which is then sold back to the markets we were trying to suppress. Not going after valuable targets when we attacked Israel and the region etc.

 

[Desert]

Umm actually no, I haven't.

As I already stated, I'll believe it when I see it.

Pretty straightforward

It's easy to do so in the gulf region , just hit the oil refineries and desalination plants and they literally all gulf will go to stone age .
same with israel , they have no rivers nor all-year rain, hit their desalination plants.

 

[Aziqbal]

Americans will get in the streets if he doesn't leave in 2028. It will be serious this time. We can't stand this conman crook and his party anymore. They're hurting everyone's businesses and many people lost their jobs as a result of his policies.

2028 is too far away

Israel is desperate to use Trump for even worse is to come

 

[KAL-EL]

It's easy to do so in the gulf region , just hit the oil refineries and desalination plants and they literally all gulf will go to stone age .
same with israel , they have no rivers nor all-year rain, hit their desalination plants.

Well sure if they did that, it would be a serious escalation. I imagine that Israel and the US would do the same thing in retaliation

Hopefully it won't get that far

 

[BHAN85]

The main problem is that we are sabotaging ourselves. I don’t see the point in closing and reopening Hormuz. Allowing «partners» to transport oil which is then sold back to the markets we were trying to suppress. Not going after valuable targets when we attacked Israel and the region etc.

Resell oil is not free.

Besides it's a good idea create economic incentives to enemies fight each other.