Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Russia is something else than some MEK/separatists armed from abroad. Let's be reasonable here, Russia has at least 700k men, battle hardened first world army, operating at the frontlines. With that army, they would have taken Iran 5 times over, regardless of FPV drones. This is not apples to apples comparison.

And no, it appears, lets hope I'm right, that the plan B is too costly, or has decided to be too costly. It appears US decision makers, especially Vance and Rubio, who both wanna run in 2028, have also pressured Trump to halt. Why? Even hitting Iranian energy won't fix the problem, the strait HAS to reopen (can't close it, and now Mandab, even if a bit leaky, for 2 years, that's just impossible).

It appears a mou 2.0 is coming and this time the US will do what it said, or at least mostly.

It seems sometimes even a declining superpower, even if run by juice, will hit a brick wall and walk back.

And one of the reasons I want to say this is this: the satanyahu/Trump meeting was very short. Nothing meaningful can be decided in a very short meaning, except a big fat NO! Satanyahu is talking in the press about how Hormuz is Iran's now (because he said WE will help bypass it in the future). That's a loser's spin. Yeah go build pipelines for years to bypass something. Sure.

Russia started their "special operations" with barely 150K-200K soldiers. It took 4 years for the Russians to increase their troops to 700K.

Also, nobody was comparing Russia to MEK/separatists. We were comparing Russia to the US Army, and yes, the US Army is much better equipped than the Russian armed forces and unlike Russia, they won't intend to blitzkrieg through Iran to Tehran. Their plan is to take some of our Iranian islands and possibly the energy-rich Khuzestan and Bushehr. Insurgency will be only a distraction, not part of their actual plan. And Russia hasn't been able to establish air superiority over Ukraine yet, while the US will be able to establish air superiority over Iran, even if we claim they haven't done it yet. So, apples and oranges.

Even if the Kurdish insurgents can disrupt our imports/exports from our western borders, that will be a huge problem for us. The US has been talking about enforcing a land blockade recently and this is an actual possibility that has to be considered.

The US will never honor any of its MoUs or even UNSC-approved agreements with Iran. Let's forget that idea because it is not realistic. As long as the US thinks it can bully Iran, it will do so. Iran needs some sort of strong deterrence to fight back, not a memorandum of understanding to give more time to the US to prepare for the next round.

 

[ShapurII]

Important

This is the most idiotic proposal I have read. Who do they think they are fooling?

If the Islamic Republic accepts this stupid proposal, God help us.

 

[mangekyo]

Which is why nuclear deterrence is a must for Iran.

The main problem is that we are sabotaging ourselves. I don’t see the point in closing and reopening Hormuz. Allowing «partners» to transport oil which is then sold back to the markets we were trying to suppress. Not going after valuable targets when we attacked Israel and the region etc.

 

[Desert]

Umm actually no, I haven't.

As I already stated, I'll believe it when I see it.

Pretty straightforward

It's easy to do so in the gulf region , just hit the oil refineries and desalination plants and they literally all gulf will go to stone age .
same with israel , they have no rivers nor all-year rain, hit their desalination plants.

 

[Aziqbal]

Americans will get in the streets if he doesn't leave in 2028. It will be serious this time. We can't stand this conman crook and his party anymore. They're hurting everyone's businesses and many people lost their jobs as a result of his policies.

2028 is too far away

Israel is desperate to use Trump for even worse is to come

 

[KAL-EL]

It's easy to do so in the gulf region , just hit the oil refineries and desalination plants and they literally all gulf will go to stone age .
same with israel , they have no rivers nor all-year rain, hit their desalination plants.

Well sure if they did that, it would be a serious escalation. I imagine that Israel and the US would do the same thing in retaliation

Hopefully it won't get that far

 

[BHAN85]

The main problem is that we are sabotaging ourselves. I don’t see the point in closing and reopening Hormuz. Allowing «partners» to transport oil which is then sold back to the markets we were trying to suppress. Not going after valuable targets when we attacked Israel and the region etc.

Re-sell oil is not free.

Besides it's a good idea create economic incentives to enemies fight each other.

 

[Desert]

Well sure if they did that, it would be a serious escalation. I imagine that Israel and the US would do the same thing in retaliation

Hopefully it won't get that far

They have already done it. they did target few desalination plants and oil refineries.

 

[BHAN85]

It's easy to do so in the gulf region , just hit the oil refineries and desalination plants and they literally all gulf will go to stone age .
same with israel , they have no rivers nor all-year rain, hit their desalination plants.

Maybe it's impossible for Iran hit with accuracy a far land so protected with antimissiles.

But it would be very easy for Iran launch a radioactive dirty bomb.

Thanks god sanity still prevails.

But Israel dumbfucks corrupt leaders keep testing Iran patience.

 

[Shags101]

Iran denies agreeing to deal dividing Hormuz with Oman, says strait staying closed​

@Immortals I feel like trump is trying to stall he’s going to say in a few days Iran lies after they got their defenses set up

 

[Desert]

Maybe it's impossible for Iran hit with accuracy a far land so protected with antimissiles.

But it would be very easy for Iran launch a radioactive dirty bomb.

Thanks god sanity still prevails.

But Israel dumbfucks corrupt leaders keep testing Iran patience.

Oil refineries and desalination plants are BIG targets , no need of a VERY precise cruise or ballistic missile , you can see what has happened in oil plants in Saudia (al-baqeq). Few drones can get the job done.

even the attack in Egypt-Damietta , was done by a small drone that targeted the intended target (American Ship).

 

[BHAN85]

Oil refineries and desalination plants are BIG targets , no need of a VERY precise cruise or ballistic missile , you can see what has happened in oil plants in Saudia (al-baqeq). Few drones can get the job done.

even the attack in Egypt-Damietta , was done by a small drone that targeted the intended target (American Ship).

If you don't spare in antimissiles you can stop everything, it's what we saw in last attacks toward Israel, only cluster munitions missiles hit well, but the effect is weaker in one single point.

Anyway Israel is not immune, one single dirty bomb armed missile and Tel Aviv downtown could be uninhabitable next 20,000 years.

Israel leaders are behaving like if that thing would be impossible when actually it would be very easy for Iran.

 

[Ravenman]

Destroy Iran.
Destroy Turkey.
Destroy Egypt.
Destroy Pakistan.

And then destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Then build the Third Temple for Dajjal.

But first you have to destroy Iran, Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt otherwise you cant destroy Al-Aqsa.

Saudi Arabia is no problem. MBS is a Epstein-customer who wont lift a finger.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Destroy Iran.
Destroy Turkey.
Destroy Egypt.
Destroy Pakistan.

And then destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Then build the Third Temple for Dajjal.

But first you have to destroy Iran, Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt otherwise you cant destroy Al-Aqsa.

Saudi Arabia is no problem. MBS is a Epstein-customer who wont lift a finger.

Why does Egypt always end up in these lists? What have they done in the last half century to inspire confidence that they wouldn't sell their mother for the right price?

(I'm refering to the government - the Egyptian people are great.)

 

[Ravenman]

Why does Egypt always end up in these lists? What have they done in the last half century to inspire confidence that they wouldn't sell their mother for the he right price?

(I'm refering to the government - the Egyptian people are great.)

Because i dont think that Sisi can handle the anger of 110 million Egyptians when Israel destroys the Al Aqsa Compound.

The people will force him to act otherwise he will be toppled like Mubarak.