052D destroyers is expected to reach 60, and the new batch will be equipped with advanced phased array radar systems, which will be improved.

[ety]

The sale of medium range ballistic missiles by China to Saudi Arabia is a special trading relationship that can be linked to the trading history of the 1980s, and neighboring countries, including the international community, have also assumed the existence of this relationship. But I have doubts about whether this type of transaction will expand, especially regarding the possibility of land based long-range attack cruise missiles/mid range sea based anti missile systems/hypersonic long-range anti-ship missiles being packaged and sold together with the latest 052d warships. This already involves the most advanced Chinese naval strategic equipment currently in service, and the performance of the Dongfeng 3 was not the most advanced ballistic missile internationally when it was sold in the 1980s. We sell Dongfeng 21 and we also have better strategic missiles than Dongfeng 21. Among the three weapons, the most likely is the Long Sword 10 subsonic cruise to land attack cruise missile. The United States has the Tomahawk, and this type of land to land cruise missile is not uncommon internationally. And China also has the Long Sword 100 supersonic cruise missile.

And China might had sold some missile tech to Iran to balance out.

 

[guangdongt]

And China might had sold some missile tech to Iran to balance out.

I think Iran's ballistic missile technology is also at a very good level internationally. They have proven their country's ballistic missile strength by counterattacking Israel. I personally respect their technological capabilities, and they should have embarked on the path of completely developing ballistic missiles independently

 

[ety]

I think Iran's ballistic missile technology is also at a very good level internationally. They have proven their country's ballistic missile strength by counterattacking Israel. I personally respect their technological capabilities, and they should have embarked on the path of completely developing ballistic missiles independently

I am talking maybe couple of decades ago, I am not sure then.

China sold 90 ballistic missiles to Iran in 1992, worth 200 million US dollars. Why didn’t the United States dare to stop it?​

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[gambit]

Say remodeled after US army, it's an overstatement no doubt.

No, it is not an overstatement. If anything, it is an understatement.

For example, the Chinese army still has the commissar system embedded that is essential to the PLA, and where is the commissar system in US army ?

You need such a position because the CPC treats the PLA as its own, not of the country.

Sure, PLA learned some lessons from the Desert Storm in the Gulf War.

Yes, that the PLA was %90 worthless on everything about it, from its organization to doctrines.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Yes, that the PLA was %90 worthless on everything about it, from its organization to doctrines.

lol, "90% worthless" was still able to push you guys back halfway through Korea.
Maybe US army is "99%" worthless

 

[ety]

No, it is not an overstatement. If anything, it is an understatement.


You need such a position because the CPC treats the PLA as its own, not of the country.


Yes, that the PLA was %90 worthless on everything about it, from its organization to doctrines.

Lol, your most modern war doctrine of fighting terrorism sure is worthless to PLA, period. PLA has its own doctrine of war, don't take credit you don't deserve, you have no real idea of PLA and are just making boasts to gratify yourselves, silly. And your doctrine of Run Away Chicken Army sure is useless to the PLA.

Don't make a fool of yourself, in the PLA army, for example, the units below the army level are directly brigade and then battalion, the PLA army had reformed and eliminated the division and regiment levels all together to fight modern war. In the US army structure, the division and regiment units are still present below the army level. Where did PLA copy or model after your Run Away army, Lol.

 

[guangdongt]

True. The only country China would probably consider selling an export approved version of the Type 052D is Pakistan. Interoperability and secure maintenance facilities in a friendly country will mean a sale to Pakistan is support to the PLAN’s own goal of securing its SLOCs from the Persian gulf to mainland China, while also bogging down India with another way of matching their technological capabilities and maintaining a conventional balance between India and Pakistan.

It fits China’s desire to decrease the chances of war by making Pakistan strong enough to deter war, while slowly building the maintenance facilities in the region should China need them.

I think it depends on whether Pakistan's naval targets will expand to destroyers or large frigates. At last year's Lancaway International Maritime and Aviation Exhibition, China showcased the foreign trade type 052de destroyer. The on-site model of 052de has been labeled as a large frigate. According to on-site promotional materials, 052DE is displayed under the code name "Whale Shark -6000", with a length of 156 meters and a width of 9.8 meters. It has a standard displacement of 6800 tons and a full load displacement of approximately 7600 tons. The Whale Shark-6000 adopts a diesel fuel combination propulsion system, with a maximum speed of 28 knots and a range of 4000 nautical miles/16 knots. I noticed that the 052de is equipped with a 517b meter wave radar, commonly referred to as a "hanger" in China, indicating that it is partially similar to the first batch of versions of the 052d destroye，But to be honest, the sales target countries for phased array shield ships are very few. These countries that are capable of bearing the burden either have deep ties with Europe and America, or are subject to sanctions, which has a great geopolitical impact.

 

[gambit]

lol, "90% worthless" was still able to push you guys back halfway through Korea.
Maybe US army is "99%" worthless

Is there a book in China that says how you guys lost against VN in 1979? Of course not. Guess the PLA forgot about bringing back the Korean War veterans in that border conflict, eh?

 

[ety]

Is there a book in China that says how you guys lost against VN in 1979? Of course not. Guess the PLA forgot about bringing back the Korean War veterans in that border conflict, eh?

In your Vietnamese and American wet dream.

 

[Han Patriot]

lol, "90% worthless" was still able to push you guys back halfway through Korea.
Maybe US army is "99%" worthless

Korean War actually stopped US from invading North China. The plan was to attack China from the North. US wanted to reinstate KMT back in China. The war proved to the West that the days of using a couple of gunboats to defeat an entire nation were over. Mac Arthur was so humiliated that he wanted to use nukes in Korea. Imagine your war hero 5 years prior getting so desperate. The Korean War ended the myth of American invincibility and ensured peace for the next 50 years. US did not dare intervene in China again, so when people tell me US will intervene in Taiwan, hahahaha

 

[Han Patriot]

Is there a book in China that says how you guys lost against VN in 1979? Of course not. Guess the PLA forgot about bringing back the Korean War veterans in that border conflict, eh?

Maybe we didn't lose as much as the Americans I guess. lol

 

[ety]

Korean War actually stopped US from invading North China. The plan was to attack China from the North. US wanted to reinstate KMT back in China. The war proved to the West that the days of using a couple of gunboats to defeat an entire nation were over. Mac Arthur was so humiliated that he wanted to use nukes in Korea. Imagine your war hero 5 years prior getting so desperate. The Korean War ended the myth of American invincibility and ensure peace for the next 50 years. US did not dare intervene in China again, so when people tell me US will intervene in Taiwan, hahahaha

And Vietnam war of US completely occupying Vietnam and Laos was designed to encircle or attack China from the south as predicted by Mao during the Korean war. US troops stationed in Taiwan was designed to encircle or attack China from the east. The three attacks from three directions were predicted by Mao just after founding of PRC. Mao chose to fight the Americans head on in Korea.

 

[Han Patriot]

And Vietnam war of US completely occupying Vietnam and Laos was designed to encircle or attack China from the south as predicted by Mao during the Korean war. US troops stationed in Taiwan was designed to encircle or attack China from the east. The three attacks from three directions were predicted by Mao just after founding of PRC. Mao chose to fight the Americans head on in Korea.

Actually, China's geopolitical situation is better than during Mao's time, Russia, Central Asia, South East Asia is now stable with us. Korea, Taiwan and Japan had always been there since day 1, so at least we pushed their expansion to stop there. The biggest mistake US did was fcking with Russia, else we would have been gang raped by the Whites. Russia is the world's largest resource holder, food, minerals, energy and we desperately need them and they are just next door. Xi was right, this is a once in a lifetime change not seen for the past 100 years. This single act will determine our fate for the next century, thank you AMERICA.

 

[ety]

Actually, China's geopolitical situation is better than during Mao's time, Russia, Central Asia, South East Asia is now stable with us. Korea, Taiwan and Japan had always been there since day 1, so at least we pushed their expansion to stop there. The biggest mistake US did was fcking with Russia, else we would have been gang raped by the Whites. Russia is the world's largest resource holder, food, minerals, energy and we desperately need them and they are just next door. Xi was right, this is a once in a lifetime change not seen since for the last 100 years. This single act will determine our fate for the next century, thank you AMERICA.

And American troops are out of Taiwan now.

 

[Han Patriot]

And American troops are out of Taiwan now.

I think it was part of the deal to normalize relationship. Now they can't put back troops without instigating another war. Smart move by Zhou Enlai, he knew we needed to solve the Taiwan problem in the future.