Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities
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Pakistan has strong airforce, strong enough to hold USA-Israel-India for a month, but once its done its finished, no plan b, no war of attrition like iran, no underground bases.
All the bases air, navy and ground will be razed to the ground, almost all leaders will die in decapitation strike.
The only way forward will be nukes and those will end pakistan, india and possibly Israel, but not us. that's a big if they dont get to our nukes first.
The main reason iran is holding on because of their underground cities, that's the only way forward for USA, the only way for attrition war, only guaranteed way for second strike. but iran doesn't have nukes.
i know we have no money, i know most army leaders are skeptical to change but you need to evolve, from here on out, we have to work for underground bases in full speed.
in 10 years we need to have at least 10 major underground bases. and it should not be for one branch only, it should be total army air force and navy and their local production.
I know it will cost money we don't have but it's the highest importance to have both above and below underground bases.
The underground bases should contain all the:
- Multiply command and control in each base in case some are lost
- Rocket force arsenal with production and upgradtion.
- Nuclear arsenal with upgradation and production
- Loitering drone arsenal with production
- Navy drone's arsenal both above and below water
- Some airforce munitions and jets.
- Local air defense production radar and missiles
- Anti tank and Manpads with their production capabilities
- Armor Arsenal
All have to be localized to the last component, if the components are not localized then at least have absurd amount of stock components that we import while the rest will be produced here.
Those bases can also be used for barracks and underground protection for armor, and army personal when under bombardment and the base defenses.
So what's the first thing to do,
1. Make budget adjustments, and mark locations in the map with mountains above and should be in the center of the country map so its not easy to attack it on ground.
2. Import those big ass underground machines from china and start drilling.
3. Once some are done slowly move arsenal and production there. and replace the ones in the ground with excat replica decoy like the iran did with ir capabilities.
The biggest obstacle in the is the budget, other than that we should just twakal alallah.
Sorry for big post, what do you guys think, please post suggestions and adjustments.
All the bases air, navy and ground will be razed to the ground, almost all leaders will die in decapitation strike.
The only way forward will be nukes and those will end pakistan, india and possibly Israel, but not us. that's a big if they dont get to our nukes first.
The main reason iran is holding on because of their underground cities, that's the only way forward for USA, the only way for attrition war, only guaranteed way for second strike. but iran doesn't have nukes.
i know we have no money, i know most army leaders are skeptical to change but you need to evolve, from here on out, we have to work for underground bases in full speed.
in 10 years we need to have at least 10 major underground bases. and it should not be for one branch only, it should be total army air force and navy and their local production.
I know it will cost money we don't have but it's the highest importance to have both above and below underground bases.
The underground bases should contain all the:
- Multiply command and control in each base in case some are lost
- Rocket force arsenal with production and upgradtion.
- Nuclear arsenal with upgradation and production
- Loitering drone arsenal with production
- Navy drone's arsenal both above and below water
- Some airforce munitions and jets.
- Local air defense production radar and missiles
- Anti tank and Manpads with their production capabilities
- Armor Arsenal
All have to be localized to the last component, if the components are not localized then at least have absurd amount of stock components that we import while the rest will be produced here.
Those bases can also be used for barracks and underground protection for armor, and army personal when under bombardment and the base defenses.
So what's the first thing to do,
1. Make budget adjustments, and mark locations in the map with mountains above and should be in the center of the country map so its not easy to attack it on ground.
2. Import those big ass underground machines from china and start drilling.
3. Once some are done slowly move arsenal and production there. and replace the ones in the ground with excat replica decoy like the iran did with ir capabilities.
The biggest obstacle in the is the budget, other than that we should just twakal alallah.
Sorry for big post, what do you guys think, please post suggestions and adjustments.
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Why iran is being this dumb? Attacking a civilian airport in dubai, used my millions?
If GCC countries apart Attacking iran, they will straight up jump on the islam Muslims bandwagon. But that doesn't apply when iran attacks civilian infrastructure in Arab countries, which isn't being used for Attacking iran.
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If GCC countries apart Attacking iran, they will straight up jump on the islam Muslims bandwagon. But that doesn't apply when iran attacks civilian infrastructure in Arab countries, which isn't being used for Attacking iran.
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Watandar
Trusted Member
I agree with your point that Pakistan is over-dependent on its Air Force, which could be destroyed in a surprise first strike or shot down over a period of time and then there is no Plan B.
With the budgetary constraints I think Pakistan should invest in cheap but capable air and sea drones and have them in huge numbers, like 10k so that it can keep attacking and harassing the enemy in a war of attrition and impose costs.
With the budgetary constraints I think Pakistan should invest in cheap but capable air and sea drones and have them in huge numbers, like 10k so that it can keep attacking and harassing the enemy in a war of attrition and impose costs.
PakFactor
Elite Member
Why iran is being this dumb? Attacking a civilian airport in dubai, used my millions?
If GCC countries apart Attacking iran, they will straight up jump on the islam Muslims bandwagon. But that doesn't apply when iran attacks civilian infrastructure in Arab countries, which isn't being used for Attacking iran.
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It's what we think, but information is scarce due to the blackout from GCC nations. I'm sure the Iranian high command is more aware of what's going on, both within and outside the GCC countries.
Personally, I'm satisfied the GCC is getting hit for the crimes they've committed in Yemen, Sudan, and other parts of the MENA region.
hussain0216
Elite Member
In the same way, I think a large sub force is better then destroyers or air craft carriers
Surface levels against modern anti ship missiles just seem like targets rather then asset's
We of course should continue to expand our surface fleet, but should concentrate on submarines and inducting nuclear powered subs
Surface levels against modern anti ship missiles just seem like targets rather then asset's
We of course should continue to expand our surface fleet, but should concentrate on submarines and inducting nuclear powered subs
ACE OF HEARTS
Registered Member
The area between Quetta and Gwadar needs to be developed, as a fall back option.
It is the only area in Pakistan which is more than 1000 km away from the Eastern border.
Plus it has mountain and a rugged landscape, good storage site capability by building deep underground tunnels .
It is the only area in Pakistan which is more than 1000 km away from the Eastern border.
Plus it has mountain and a rugged landscape, good storage site capability by building deep underground tunnels .
Yeah right , as if iran didn't intrude in any of those countries م?
Guess which country Their big general Qasim Saimani was assassinated? It wasn't iran .
It was Syria. What an Iranian general was in a foreign Arab country Syria?
If course to arrange militancy
PakFactor
Elite Member
He was invited by the Assad regime, which represented the legitimate government of Syria at the time, and they called on the Iranians for assistance.
But let's not kid ourselves, the Arab's were fully at fault for fanning the flames between themselves and the Iranians. They introduced the Sunni-Shia nonsense in the region as a policy, starting with the Iraq-Iran War. The Arab regimes bankrolled Saddam and supplied the arsenal he needed to counter Iran.
Historically, the Arab's and Persians had an uneasy relationship, and through our own faults, we've kept dragging it into modern times, for others to exploit.
mythbuster
SpeedLimited
You are justifying the massacre of a million plus sunnis killed by Assad regime with the help of Iran because it was a legitimate government ? .....Iran Iraq war was a Sunni Shia war ? Smarty Iraq is 80 % Shia. ...
El Sidd
Elite Member
He was targeted in Iraq. The very same Iraq, Iran worked tirelessly with US to liberate from Saddam Hussein.
PakFactor
Elite Member
Nowhere am I justifying the killings of Sunnis; and I'm a Sunni myself, but frankly, I care f_ck not for these sects, and never used it to describe myself. I just stated the fact that he was invited by the Syrian government at the time.
Iraq was at best 55% Shia, ruled by a minority, the Sunnis. The Iraqi's and regional Arab regimes accused the Ayatollah of trying to export the revolution, and Arab's pushed Iraq by inflating its ego as being the protector of Sunnis and Arabism. Iraq's army was mostly comprised of Shi'as, and Saddam used various propaganda to show the Shi'as their Arab roots to diminish Shi'ism's influence.
At one point in the conflict, the Iraqi regime tried to show the Shia of Iraq that this was a battle between Arabs and Persian Zoroastrians.
Though the conflict was mainly over some rivers, the Arab's morphed it into something else.
It's all there if one chooses to read.
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RAJPUT
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I have had this thought at the back of my mind for a while, and I hope our leadership has been wise enough to address it in some form by now. They understand that the threat to our nuclear arsenal from global powers has increased, particularly given the Sunni Islamic dimension of the situation. I hope our nuclear capabilities have not been compromised because otherwise, Pakistan would struggle to survive an onslaught like the one Iran is currently facing.
Our air force may be capable of holding India back for a month or two, but it would stand little chance against the fifth-generation fighters of Israel and the United States, unless China delivers its promise. We do not currently have air defense systems that are dependable enough, nor leadership that plans a century into the future. There needs to be exponential growth in our economy and sustained investment in our defense capabilities. Without our nuclear deterrent, Pakistan would not be able to endure a prolonged war of attrition against the combined power of India, Israel, and the United States, even for a week, sadly.
Baki ham tou shuru se hi Allah tawakkal chal rahain hain, aage bhi ussi ka sahara hai, InshaAllah.
Our air force may be capable of holding India back for a month or two, but it would stand little chance against the fifth-generation fighters of Israel and the United States, unless China delivers its promise. We do not currently have air defense systems that are dependable enough, nor leadership that plans a century into the future. There needs to be exponential growth in our economy and sustained investment in our defense capabilities. Without our nuclear deterrent, Pakistan would not be able to endure a prolonged war of attrition against the combined power of India, Israel, and the United States, even for a week, sadly.
Baki ham tou shuru se hi Allah tawakkal chal rahain hain, aage bhi ussi ka sahara hai, InshaAllah.
hasssanali8998
Elite Member
To clarify why we rely on the PAF , our leaders assessed that with our nuclear deterrent, we will no longer face conventional wars, but rather small skirmishes, mainly involving air forces. So they made the right call by investing heavily in the air force. The logical next step would be investing heavily in PARFC and shaping it along the lines of the IRGCAF ,as we saw the need for conventional strike deterrent
