AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

South African Cheeta was a customized export version of Israeli Kafir. Design wise its literally an addition of canards and bigger nose cone. And so you are telling me the same South African company Designed a whole new generation fighter jet all by themselves? Very convincing.

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ITS THEIR INTERNAL DESIGN AND NOT BASED ON ANY EU JETS

As for J20 and Mig 1.42 did you even do a side by side comparison? Even though China may have received assistant from western and Russian sources but Mig 1.42 aint it. Plus, China's speciality is not innovative Designs and they mainly focus on internal technologies which has surpassed Russian. Their 15 year old PL15 missile with their export version of 2nd tier fighter jet just recently shot down Europe's best fighter jet and Russian origin Su30 flanker. Now imagine what J50 or J36 will do to IAF.

THIS IS CALLED INPIRATION SAME GOES TO CARVER , IT WAS NOT BASED ON ANY SPECIFIC EU DESIGN BUT HAD HAVE INSPIRATION FEW/SOME EU DESIGNS

 

[panzerfaust 3]

NOT AT ALL, CAN I LIST YOU HOW MANY TECH AND COMPONENTS ARE FOREIGN IN YOUR MIGHTY TEJ@$$

We are working on radar and engines

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This video is from 2011 kaveri achieved about 80%of the desired thrust,after that funding was cut , we are attempting a redesign with french help
Recently it's been cleared for flight trials

, AND BTW YOU LOOKS LIKE HIM RETARD PHYSICO

What's with the personal insults

 

[panzerfaust 3]

I used Marut as an example.
As for Tejas, of course you need one person to get all the design credit and Indians being pathological liars, they will never give credit to real european designers. Just have them sign NDA and take all their credits.
Does this not look LCA MK2?
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Forgive me for barging in but doesn't this one looks like a Soviet f16??

My point being- many designs in the aerospace industry
Have similar appearances. They are from the same time period and offer solutions for issues of a similar nature

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

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This video is from 2011 kaveri achieved about 80%of the desired thrust,after that funding was cut , we are attempting a redesign with french help
Recently it's been cleared for flight trials

What's with the personal insults

radar based on Israeli ELM 2052 tech and talk when than Kaveri will tested on its intended plat-form Tejas

And can I tell you how many components and systems in you out of this universe Tejas are foreign?

 

[panzerfaust 3]

radar based on Israeli ELM 2052 tech and talk when than Kaveri will tested on its intended plat-form Tejas

Are we talking about uttam AESA radar? Not really
And kaver engine has received approval for 25 hours of in flight testing

And can I tell you how many components and systems in you out of this universe Tejas are foreign?

The two major components radar and engine will be replaced by indigenous versions
The remaining foreignorigin components don't include any significant technology.

 

[zzw001]

Petition for Mods to delete any future posts that are out-of-topic. This discussion should be about AMCA, KAAN, and KF-21. Tejas (and the degree of French involvement in its development), Rafale, JF17 etc. are not relevant. Even Kaveri is not relevant to AMCA as it is quite clear the Indians are going with a different engine in partnership with Safran.

 

[r3alist]

They may take the sweet time but I believe this happen

This is a nothing statement in reality, you need to be relevant and have the right capabilities at the right time, the world cannot simply take emotional declarations of intent seriously


It really is not relevant to bring Pakistan into this, but I would argue that Pakistan really doesn't need to concern itself with building the full package, it is geopolitically reasonably well placed with China and Turkey offering plenty of capability and options in addition to what Pakistan already has

 

[r3alist]

india is huge country should be develop at least what china did

Why does everyone think this is remotely possible


The societies and people are very very different

 

[Ak01]

South African Cheeta was a customized export version of Israeli Kafir. Design wise its literally an addition of canards and bigger nose cone. And so you are telling me the same South African company Designed a whole new generation fighter jet all by themselves? Very convincing.

you're just talking rubbish.

Most mirage modifications revolved around canards, are you now going to also claim that the mirage 3S/NG were also customised export variants of the kfir? Canards were added to increase manuverability/decrease takeoff run, perhaps even to account for the heavier avionics in the nose

And duh, a bigger nose cone was needed for radars, in the same way some PAF mirage 3's also have a huge nose for their grifo radar.

But yes, if you know anything about the Cheetah program, youd know how serious the SA industry was about it.

 

[Ak01]

lets see, both are small size aircrafts, both have canards both have cranked delta wing both have similar air intake placement etc.

This is a really stupid argument you could apply literally anywhere lol... Not worth entertaining.

All you indians failed to grasp my point which is, LCA is not a copy. Its simply european technology according to indian specification under technology of transfer with alots of inhouse assistance from european engineers, contractors, and consultants. And of course they were asked to sign NDA so India gets to have all the credit because its a very fragile egoistic society.

Baseless rubbish- to be honest, its just a very pathetic look when people are resorting to coping so hard. Just accept it and learn from it, the Indians built an Industry, Pakistan... well, i guess builds some bits for the JF-17.

Which european technology is it an amalgamation of? Design consultancy is not an answer lol, because in this case, the J-10 would be Russian technology due to Russian consultancy, same with the Z10 due to Kamov consultancy...etc.

Btw, do you wonder why Arjun, Dhruv, LCA, AMCA etc have western design features and not Russian?

Because Arjun and Dhruv were built with German consultants...?

LCA again, is a baseless claim.

AMCA for gods sake design is not even frozen so im not sure how far up your behind you had to dig to make this claim lol.


Why do you want to embarrass yourself like a jealous little kid?

 

[Ak01]

Do keep whining about Western consultants when we make 4th and fifth gen jets while you wait to revet the next set of Chinese junk.

this is also cope. The same "chinese junk" swatted every single aircraft barring the poor mig21's you didnt bring to the fight out the sky...

You're also now embarrasing yourself with Cope.

ps, i wouldnt hold your breath, tejas isnt exactly a shining success of a product- yes, as an industry builder it was great, but the end product is erm... still nowhere to be seen largely.

As for AMCA, paper project, until time goes on, id say the same for TFX too, both are still in high risk stages, naturally, AMCA being at a far higher risk than TFX. Building and designing means nothing, look at the SU57 and how far thats gotten.


Dont get too cocky- you might end up with a PL-15 up your behind too, like your Rafales did.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

this is also cope. The same "chinese junk" swatted every single aircraft barring the poor mig21's you didnt bring to the fight out the sky...

You're also now embarrasing yourself with Cope.

ps, i wouldnt hold your breath, tejas isnt exactly a shining success of a product- yes, as an industry builder it was great, but the end product is erm... still nowhere to be seen largely.

As for AMCA, paper project, until time goes on, id say the same for TFX too, both are still in high risk stages, naturally, AMCA being at a far higher risk than TFX. Building and designing means nothing, look at the SU57 and how far thats gotten.


Dont get too cocky- you might end up with a PL-15 up your behind too, like your Rafales did.

The world is not ending tomorrow and there are no challenges for us. As our industries mature the production picks up. This didn't start today and there is time for development and develop industrial standards.
The results of which can be seen from our export numbers. As for your imaginary winnings, well such rages after your bases getting cratered is a bit rich but go on with that brag.

 

[MH.Yang]

How does AMCA participate in the comparison?

Is it to compare which PPT is better made?




My ranking:

1st, KAAN, not a PPT, with a built-in magazine.

2nd, KF-21, not PPT.

3rd, AMCA, nice PPT.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

And kaver engine has received approval for 25 hours of in flight testing

Only on testbed aircraft not on Tejas

Are we talking about uttam AESA radar? Not really

And your uttam chuttam is based on israeli tech

The two major components radar and engine will be replaced by indigenous versions
The remaining foreignorigin components don't include any significant technology.

Can I list you? And you engine and radar are also based on foreign tech

 

[Ak01]

The world is not ending tomorrow and there are no challenges for us. As our industries mature the production picks up.

This would be valid, anywhere in the world, but India. You could have the industries of China, but your incompetence and corruption, one way, or the other would cockblock it.

Did you hear about the PC7MK2?
Or even, the comedy show that was the DRDO AIP saga lol... So many examples of your dim wittedness.

This didn't start today and there is time for development and develop industrial standards.
The results of which can be seen from our export numbers.

What export numbers? I can list Indian high tech exports on one hand.

Of course numbers are inflated, because Indian OEMS are being integrated into supply chains in the hopes that the vendors can bag contracts. TASL producing C-130 and F-16 parts was not because of their merits, competence or technical abilities, but rather, lockheed wanting to win a contract lol. Most Indian defence exports are for low tech, low level gear.

Azerbaijan signed the 4.6bn dollar deal with Pak. Iraq is due to sign a Shahpar export deal...etc. What big ticket items has/can india export that have not gone horribly wrong? Dhruv?...oh wait!

As for your imaginary winnings, well such rages after your bases getting cratered is a bit rich but go on with that brag.

Runways-expected to take damage, repaired in 3 hours.

How long will it take to repair this?




This is why you jeets will never be taken seriously. Delusion is not strong enough to describe whatever goes on in your heads.