AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[Merzifonlu]

And these projects are completed? or will complete in future?

GaN-based AESA Radars -> Since the launch of the domestically produced missile was conducted using a domestic radar, aircraft radars are 80% complete. Ground and naval radars were already completed long before that.

EOTS -> I don't know about the Kaan model, but a smaller model for the Kızılelma model is being tested on aircraft.

IRST -> Completed.

DIRCM -> This has a long way to go.

EW Suite -> Drone-based systems are complete. I don't know about the Kaan model, but it should be largely complete.

Mission Computer -> If we're talking about computer production with domestic processors, it's not complete. It will take two generations to truly produce a domestic processor anyway. (Around 40-50 years.) But if we're talking about building a computer by integrating existing foreign components, it's complete.

HMDS -> Completed.

Targeting and Jamming Pods -> Completed.

 

[MMM-E]

DIRCM -> This has a long way to go.

Aselsan tested YILDIRIM-100 DIRCM 4 months ago

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F-22 , F-35 , J-20 , J-35 , KF-21 dont have a DIRCM
Only SU-57 and KAAN have DIRCM which is a feature of the 6th gen Fighter Jets

With the YILDIRIM-300 KAAN will ultimately become the second 5th gen Fighter Jet in the world to feature DIRCM after the SU-57

 

[Merzifonlu]

@MMM-E

True, the domestic DIRCM has been tested. But it won't reach maturity until around 2029-2030. That's why I said, "still a ways off."

 

[MH.Yang]

Aselsan tested YILDIRIM-100 DIRCM 4 months ago

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F-22 , F-35 , J-20 , J-35 , KF-21 dont have a DIRCM
Only SU-57 and KAAN have DIRCM which is a feature of the 6th gen Fighter Jets

With the YILDIRIM-300 KAAN will ultimately become the second 5th gen Fighter Jet in the world to feature DIRCM after the SU-57

DIRCM is not uncommon. China's transport aircraft (Y-20), early warning aircraft (KJ-500), anti submarine aircraft and other large aircraft have begun to be equipped with DIRCM.

5G and 6G fighter jets have very strict requirements for weight, space, and aerodynamic appearance. Until DIRCM achieves miniaturization and integration, it cannot be installed on these aircraft temporarily.

 

[MMM-E]

@MMM-E

True, the domestic DIRCM has been tested. But it won't reach maturity until around 2029-2030. That's why I said, "still a ways off."

YES , I agree with you
not only DIRCM but also GOKBORA - GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles will be ready until 2030

So almost all systems are domestic .... I did it

only Engine from American GE and Ejection Seat from British MARTIN BAKER


TF-35.000 turbofan Engine ( under development ) by TEI - TR MOTOR
Ejection Seat ( under development ) by TAI

 

[MMM-E]

And of cource full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types ( KAAN , ANKA-3, KIZILELMA )

This is 6th gen war concept MUM-T and Turkiye is one of a few leading Counties with USA and China

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I won't try to convince you anymore

only one example , Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 turboshaft Engine in record time between 2017 and 2023 ... and mass production will start in 2027
This is also a difficult technology ... ( Thanks to 236 of GE T700-TEI-701D turboshaft engines which were produced under license by TEI )

Turkiye gained great experience from GE F-110 turbofan Engine under license production and 1.500 parts production for 50 different engine programs for many years

Let's wait and see , TEI will do it or not
pointless discussion is unnecessary

But TF-35.000 is whole new ball game and making parts of f110 doesn't qualify that you will make TF-35.000 easily, TF-35.000 has a whole new set specifications and complexity that f110 won't have

And if you started international standards procedure for engine development and TF-35.000 is intended for flight testing on KAAN in 2029 then TEI must start bench/ground testing now and then on testbed,, its takes years to complete ground and flight testing engines to perfect/tweaks and you have only 4 years to test on its intended platform KAAN according to TEI right?

Lets wait and see what happens in 2029 to TF-35.000 development

 

[MMM-E]

Lets wait and see what happens in 2029 to TF-35.000 development

YES , Lets wait and see
We can see the first ignition of the TF-35.000 in 2026 ( according to TEI )
and the first flight by 2029-2030

 

[Merzifonlu]

But TF-35.000 is whole new ball game and making parts of f110 doesn't qualify that you will make TF-35.000 easily, TF-35.000 has a whole new set specifications and complexity that f110 won't have

And if you started international standards procedure for engine development and TF-35.000 is intended for flight testing on KAAN in 2029 then TEI must start bench/ground testing now and then on testbed,, its takes years to complete ground and flight testing engines to perfect/tweaks and you have only 4 years to test on its intended platform KAAN according to TEI right?

Lets wait and see what happens in 2029 to TF-35.000 development

If we were to test the TF35000 engine on the Kaan, which would be risky as you mentioned, its thrust would likely be reduced to F110 levels via software. The TF35000, which doesn't have any power restrictions, would likely be tested on either a Bombardier Global 6000 or a Kızılelma variant.

If this engine is to fly on an aircraft around 2029, its first ignition must occur no later than the second quarter of 2026. Otherwise, making it to 2029 is out of the question. That's why I said, "We won't have to wait long to find out what happened to the engine."

 

[MMM-E]

F-22 , SU-57 , J-20 , J-35 , KF-21 use HUD


Only American F-35 and Turkish KAAN use HMDS (Helmet Display System) instead of HUD


HMDS next generation interface provides pilots with intuitive access to vast quantities of flight, tactical, and sensor information for advanced situational awareness, precision and safety

USA : Collins Aerospace F-35 Gen III
Display and Night vision
Advanced bi-ocular, 30-by-40-degree-wide field-of-view


Aselsan TULGAR .. Turkiye
• Color Display
• Digital Night Vision
• Hybrid Head Tracking System
• Active Noise Reduction (ANR)
• Compatibility With Eyeglasses
• 3D Audio Compatibility
• 40°(H)-by-32°(V) Field Of View

Color screen and digital night vision technologies ( the first time in the system )

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TULGAR_ENG.pdf

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

and the first flight by 2029-2030

Most probably on testbed not on KAAN

 

[MMM-E]

5G and 6G fighter jets have very strict requirements for weight, space, and aerodynamic appearance. Until DIRCM achieves miniaturization and integration, it cannot be installed on these aircraft temporarily.

Russia did it on SU-57


Turkiye will be the 2nd country with DIRCM on KAAN
and we needs powerful generators

Comparison of generator powers of some Fighter Jets

▪︎ KAAN: 2x125Kw .... 250 kw (developed by Turkish company VOLT )
▪︎ F35: 3x80Kw .... 240 kw
▪︎ F22: 2x65Kw ... 130 kw
▪︎ KF-21: 2x65Kw .. 130 kw ... (Collins aerospace from USA)

what about the J-20 ?

 

[MMM-E]

Most probably on testbed not on KAAN

This is not my claim but from TEI

TEİ General Manager Prof.Dr MAHMUT AKSIT
“We will fly KAAN with a domestically produced engine in 2029-2030"

and the integration of the engine into the KAAN will be completed in 2032

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

This is not my claim but from TEI

TEİ General Manager Prof.Dr MAHMUT AKSIT
“We will fly KAAN with a domestically produced engine in 2029-2030"

and the integration of the engine into the KAAN will be completed in 2032

So you're skipping one major critical safety step (testbed testing) for getting the engine much earlier than anticipated? and will Installed Un-matured and unfinished engine on KAAN for testing then I would like to say good luck to you for testing un-matured/unfinished engine on KAAN

 

[MH.Yang]

F-22 , SU-57 , J-20 , J-35 , KF-21 use HUD


Only American F-35 and Turkish KAAN use HMDS (Helmet Display System) instead of HUD


HMDS next generation interface provides pilots with intuitive access to vast quantities of flight, tactical, and sensor information for advanced situational awareness, precision and safety

USA : Collins Aerospace F-35 Gen III
Display and Night vision
Advanced bi-ocular, 30-by-40-degree-wide field-of-view
View attachment 158629

Aselsan TULGAR .. Turkiye
• Color Display
• Digital Night Vision
• Hybrid Head Tracking System
• Active Noise Reduction (ANR)
• Compatibility With Eyeglasses
• 3D Audio Compatibility
• 40°(H)-by-32°(V) Field Of View

Color screen and digital night vision technologies ( the first time in the system )
View attachment 158631
https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TULGAR_ENG.pdf

dude, the J-10CE purchased by Pakistan from China is equipped with China's HMDS. This should be easily obtainable intelligence, right?

As early as the 2000s, HUD had already been popularized in Chinese models such as J-10A, and J-11 A.

Since 2017, models such as J-10C, J-11B, J-15, J-16 have popularized HMDS.

As for the J-20, have you heard of the panoramic cockpit HMDS?