AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Im not going to provide you link because its just waste of time fulfilling Indian request because you lot keep changing goal posts. Go do your own research on Atlas Carvar.

LCA and Carvar have similar story, western and Israeli R&D. But one remained on drawing board and the other is flying today mainly due to sanctions on South Africa.

Ok as you wish brother, no hard feeling, But Carver and Tejas have more similarity than your posted images in your above post

 

[flyingorca]

Well you just repeated what I already said. You can hire consultants but they are not going to handhold you into making your own jets. I didn't imply you meant India copied. India did design and develop Tejas with the help of consultants of course but their job isn't designing jets.

That is exactly what consultants and contractors are hired to do. As a matter of fact, Kurt Tank designed Marut india's first fighter jet. I even saw his picture with a jet model in a wind tunnel. Now that modern fighter jets have become very complex just 1 person can not possibly design every component all by himself so a whole dedicated team is required. Pay them and they will even design you 6th gen. Western market is very competitive. If Dassault is designing next gen jets, their are always competitor companies or teams who lost the contract. You can hire that entire team to come work for you. India got assistance because they spent billions on purchasing off the shelf western equipments but thats going to change in the future and instead India will get customized product on which India can lable Made in India. So the point is without western support, Indian projects will never leave the drawing board.

 

[flyingorca]

Ok as you wish brother, no hard feeling, But Carver and Tejas have more similarity than your posted images in your above post

Yes they do have similarities because the design is coming from Europe mainly France. Its like you hire someone to write your posts and all of sudden we notice different style of writing but you still try to defend it as yourown since its coming from your own account.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

That is exactly what consultants and contractors are hired to do. As a matter of fact, Kurt Tank designed Marut india's first fighter jet. I even saw his picture with a jet model in a wind tunnel. Now that modern fighter jets have become very complex just 1 person can not possibly design every component all by himself so a whole dedicated team is required. Pay them and they will even design you 6th gen. Western market is very competitive. If Dassault is designing next gen jets, their are always competitor companies or teams who lost the contract. You can hire that entire team to come work for you. India got assistance because they spent billions on purchasing off the shelf western equipments but thats going to change in the future and instead India will get customized product on which India can lable Made in India. So the point is without western support, Indian projects will never leave the drawing board.

Oh I forgot the thread is about HAL marut.

The lead designer of Tejas was Dr. Kota Harinarayana. It was designed by his team at the ADA. The new design that is MK2 as well are by the team at ADA.

 

[That_Guy]

KAAN has more stealth capabilities than KF-21


Radar cross-section estimates of 5th generation Fighter Jets and their sizes against living beings from smallest to largest:

Tarantula (Spider) ▸ -40 dBsm
F-22 Raptor ▸ -40dBsm
F-35 Lightning II ▸ -23 dBsm
KAAN ▸ -25 dBsm ... -5 dBsm target
Eagle (Bird) ▸ -20 dBsm ... -10 dBsm
J-20 Mighty Dragon ▸ -20 dBsm ... -5 dBsm
SU-57 Felon ▸ -10 dBsm ... 0 dBsm
Human ▸ -5dBsm ... + 5dBsm

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KF-21 doesnt have internal weapon bay for stealth flight capability

KF-21 can not carry Bombs , Cruise Missiles and anti-radiotion Missiles in stealth mode for Air to ground attack and SEAD-DEAD role
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S.Korean KF-21 technology

-- Engine from American GE
-- AESA Radar technology from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- Terrain-following/terrain avoidance (TF/TA) Systems from Israeli ELTA Systems
-- IRST sensor head unit from Italian LEONARDO
-- CANOPY technology from American TEXSTARS
-- AMADs from American TRIUMP GROUP
-- HELMET from USA
-- Main Generator from American COLLINS AEROSPACE
-- Missile ejection launchers from British COBHAM
-- Ejection Seat from British MARTIN-BAKER
-- Wheel braking system from American MEGGITT
-- Air to Air Missiles from USA and Europe
-- Cruise Missiles from USA and Europe

even simulation link system from Turkish SDT Space and Defense Technologies

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-- RAM ( Radar Absorber Material )
KAAN is coming with advanced magnetic coating and RAM panel layer
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-- Air inlet Ducts
KAAN has S routing duct to hide Engine comprassor blades from direct enemy radar signals .. also RAM coating on inner surface of duView attachment 156147

--Internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

To be fair, they KF-21 was inducted like this to quickly replace their aging fleet. Their future blocks are set to have a fully internal weapons bay.

Having said that, it still won't be as stealthy as the KAAN.

The Boramae will have a RCS of 0.05, while the KAAN (rumor: 0.001) will be somewhere between the Raptor (0.0001) and the Lightening (0.005)

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Yes they do have similarities because the design is coming from Europe mainly France. Its like you hire someone to write your posts and all of sudden we notice different style of writing but you still try to defend it as yourown since its coming from your own account.

Ok brother, calm down, I'm not insisting my view on Tejas but I'm just showing visual similarities between Tejas and Carver, you may be right but I Researched Carvar project, It just a speculations/rumors that it was based on French design not concrete evidence that Carver was based on French designs And contribution in Carver project by Israel was only in terms of designing AVIONICs and weapon systems

 

[flyingorca]

Oh I forgot the thread is about HAL marut.

The lead designer of Tejas was Dr. Kota Harinarayana. It was designed by his team at the ADA. The new design that is MK2 as well are by the team at ADA.

I used Marut as an example.
As for Tejas, of course you need one person to get all the design credit and Indians being pathological liars, they will never give credit to real european designers. Just have them sign NDA and take all their credits.
Does this not look LCA MK2?

 

[flyingorca]

Ok brother, calm down, I'm not insisting my view on Tejas but I'm just showing visual similarities between Tejas and Carver, you may be right but I Researched Carvar project, It just a speculations/rumors that it was based on French design not concrete evidence that Carver was based on French designs And contribution in Carver project by Israel was only in terms of designing AVIONICs and weapon systems

Ok stop telling me to calm down, dont care if your fragile ego is getting hurt.
South Africa would have built Carvar during 80s 90s if they had the industrial capacity but because of western sanctions that project failed just like many other which had european engineers contractors consultants etc. Same story will replicate with India if India gets severe sanction like China or South Africa and either all Indian military projects will fail or we will see design similarities with Russian

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Ok stop telling me to calm down, dont care if your fragile ego is getting hurt.
South Africa would have built Carvar during 80s 90s if they had the industrial capacity but because of western sanctions that project failed just like many other which had european engineers contractors consultants etc. Same story will replicate with India if India gets severe sanction like China or South Africa and either all Indian military projects will fail or we will see design similarities with Russian

Oh bhai I have no ego but Showing you visual similarities of CURRENT Tejas and Carver, but you're focusing on TEJAS MK-2, that's all

 

[flyingorca]

Oh bhai I have no ego but Showing you visual similarities of CURRENT Tejas and Carver, but you're focusing on TEJAS MK-2, that's all

Carver and LCA are European designs for different customers.

 

[samsite84]

Forget about India. We are way behind in aircraft production. First lets productionize Tejas (have a few squadrons which are performing). We can think about AMCA after that...

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I used Marut as an example.
As for Tejas, of course you need one person to get all the design credit and Indians being pathological liars, they will never give credit to real european designers. Just have them sign NDA and take all their credits.
Does this not look LCA MK2?
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Shows how little you know about the topic. Air craft design is not "look and feels" even by looking at it, you can see the Canards are long coupled, has no impact or creates any vortex for the main wing. I don't even know which aircraft design is this. Is it from some game? Which wouldn't surprise me lol!.
Anyway, mk2 has a close coupled canards. So the vortex generated by the canards have a direct impact on the main wing. Helps in maneuvers with high angle of attack, a feature it inherit from the current Tejas. Basically you need to develop Tejas Mk1 to understand and design Mk2. But keep believing whatever you are believing. This is usual pattern among you guys, India gets all of it from West lol!

 

[flyingorca]

Shows how little you know about the topic. Air craft design is not "look and feels" even by looking at it, you can see the Canards are long coupled, has no impact or creates any vortex for the main wing. I don't even know which aircraft design is this. Is it from some game? Which wouldn't surprise me lol!.
Anyway, mk2 has a close coupled canards. So the vortex generated by the canards have a direct impact on the main wing. Helps in maneuvers with high angle of attack, a feature it inherit from the current Tejas. Basically you need to develop Tejas Mk1 to understand and design Mk2. But keep believing whatever you are believing. This is usual pattern among you guys, India gets all of it from West lol!

Canards or no cnards, european can customize according to your requirements. Thats my whole point and you are just running around the bushes like a headless chicken.

And lol, thats Swiss light fighter jet concept from 70s 80s with cranked delta and canards and similar air intakes. Alr piranha.
So India wanted something similar so they hired Swiss French German engineers to design LCA for them.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Carver and LCA are European designs for different customers.

Not Carver was not EU design for SAAF, Its totally indigenous design by South Africa May be inspired by some EU designs like Mirage 4000 but inspiration and based on are two different things

Can I says Chinese J-20 is based on canceled Russian design of MIG 1.42 and J-35 is based on American F-35 design? think before you're posting lol

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Canards or no cnards, european can customize according to your requirements. Thats my whole point and you are just running around the bushes like a headless chicken.

And lol, thats Swiss light fighter jet concept from 70s 80s with cranked delta and canards and similar air intakes. Alr piranha.
So India wanted something similar so they hired Swiss French German engineers to design LCA for them.

Blah blah blah. Keep pivoting from one topic to another when one fails.