America Must Get Out of the Middle East for Good

[F-22Raptor]

Defeat of Soviet Union that was mainly caused by its failed economy is one thing and the defeat in Vietnam is another thing. It's a weird logic to say US defeat in Vietnam actually greatly helped to defeat Soviet Union.

Again, primary strategic goal was to stop the spread of communism ideology. It was ultimately defeated, and Vietnam is now a close strategic ally. The US attained its goal in the end. Vietnam is no longer an adversary. Strategic goals were met, but it took decades.

 

[ety]

Again, primary strategic goal was to stop the spread of communism ideology. It was ultimately defeated, and Vietnam is now a close strategic ally. The US attained its goal in the end. Vietnam is no longer an adversary. Strategic goals were met, but it took decades.

If US had won the Vietnam war, wouldn't Vietnam be an even closer ally of the US starting many decades ago ? Lol.

 

[retaxis]

If US had won the Vietnam war, wouldn't Vietnam be an even closer ally of the US starting many decades ago ? Lol.

America Middle class completely eroded. Average life span lower than chinas. Poverty everywhere and 40 trillion in debt is winning then I guess no one ever loses lol. Now de dollarisation is happening rapidly, us allies dumping usa dollar bonds and america will have big trouble borrowing more and in future headed towards hyper inflation and civil war but hey winning!!!

Oh yeah let's not forget being ruled by pedofile elites in a country where whites are soon becoming minorities! But hey winning!!!

End of petrodollar, people cant access health care and millions becoming malnourished but hey winning!

 

[SolarWarden]

America Middle class completely eroded. Average life span lower than chinas. Poverty everywhere and 40 trillion in debt is winning then I guess no one ever loses lol. Now de dollarisation is happening rapidly, us allies dumping usa dollar bonds and america will have big trouble borrowing more and in future headed towards hyper inflation and civil war but hey winning!!!

Oh yeah let's not forget being ruled by pedofile elites in a country where whites are soon becoming minorities! But hey winning!!!

End of petrodollar, people cant access health care and millions becoming malnourished but hey winning!

Must be nice living in your own delusional world.

 

[retaxis]

Must be nice living in your own delusional world.

Must suck seeing ur country go down to shit huh. Whites getting replaced is delusion? 40trillion debt is delusion? China longer life span is delusion? Everyone selling us bonds is delusion? Middle class eroded is delusion? I can provide full facts and figures old man. You might get lucky and die before u see hyperinflation and civil war but ur descendants will suffer.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Again, primary strategic goal was to stop the spread of communism ideology. It was ultimately defeated, and Vietnam is now a close strategic ally. The US attained its goal in the end. Vietnam is no longer an adversary. Strategic goals were met, but it took decades.

Vietnam is still a communist nation.

Seriously, I am fascinated with your take on history. It's right up there with another member here.

In case you weren't aware, the US had an opportunity to meet its goals in Vietnam back in 1956.

 

[Viet]

Must suck seeing ur country go down to shit huh. Whites getting replaced is delusion? 40trillion debt is delusion? China longer life span is delusion? Everyone selling us bonds is delusion? Middle class eroded is delusion? I can provide full facts and figures old man. You might get lucky and die before u see hyperinflation and civil war but ur descendants will suffer.

Not a problem yet. The US can print dollars. It can pay back all debts.
Some countries run a ponzi scheme. Japan runs with the yen a bigger ponzi scam.

 

[retaxis]

Not a problem yet. The US can print dollars. It can pay back all debts.
Some countries run a ponzi scheme. Japan runs with the yen a bigger ponzi scam.

Printing dollars work if people are buying ur treasury bonds and boosting your economy and lending power. Now those Europeans and Japanese are selling bonds to save their own economies. So now if america keeps printing, the interest rates shoot up till it reaches trash toilet paper value.

 

[retaxis]

Not a problem yet. The US can print dollars. It can pay back all debts.
Some countries run a ponzi scheme. Japan runs with the yen a bigger ponzi scam.

This is also why the saying of being an american ally is deadly because america will completely suck the life and juice off their allies economies to buy american bonds and buy american dollars for oil n gas.

Since Mark Carney came out of Davos, the shift went from shelling out western countries economies for america benefit to protecting their own economies instead.

 

[Viet]

This is also why the saying of being an american ally is deadly because america will completely suck the life and juice off their allies economies to buy american bonds and buy american dollars for oil n gas.

Since Mark Carney came out of Davos, the shift went from shelling out western countries economies for america benefit to protecting their own economies instead.

Trump treats friends and allies as stray dogs, he risks the collapse of the dollar. He should know, dollar is just like another money: a piece of paper with a number printed on it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

P.s
Complete destruction of Iranian navy, missile force, navy is a lame lie claimed by only Trump.

Iran has the absolute power in Persian Gulf.

So what Navy ships do you currently have?

 

[muhammed45]

So what Navy ships do you currently have?

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Wikipedia is not a credible source, esp, given that it follows instructions of US foreign policy.

They will try to avoid making a fool of US president.

This is Google's answer to 'Mention only those with concrete evidence' :

When assessing specific Iranian naval losses to the United States and Israel based strictly on concrete evidence—including declassified records, physical wreckage recovery, commercial satellite imagery, and specific visual confirmation by U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)—the verified warships sunk or destroyed are:

From the 2026 Conflict (Operation Epic Fury / Ramadan War)

• IRIS Dena (Jamaran-class frigate): Sunk on March 3, 2026, off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. Its destruction by a U.S. Navy submarine torpedo was visually confirmed via released operational video. The Sri Lanka Navy subsequently recovered 84 bodies of the Iranian crew and mapped an active oil slick at the coordinates. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Shahid Sayad Shirazi (Soleimani-class catamaran): Heavily damaged/Destroyed on March 3, 2026. CENTCOM released unclassified aerial imagery on March 4, 2026, explicitly showing the advanced missile corvette fully engulfed in flames following strikes. []
• IRIS Alvand (Alvand-class frigate): Sunk on February 28, 2026, during the opening salvos at the naval port of Bandar Abbas. Post-strike aerial reconnaissance and CENTCOM imagery confirmed it went down at its berth. [1, 2]
• IRIS Alborz (Alvand-class frigate): Destroyed on May 12, 2026. High-resolution commercial satellite imagery publicly confirmed the vessel was completely obliterated while sitting vulnerable inside an active dry dock. []

Trump is a retard, the whole American people are trying to follow this retard at expense of thier own reputation apparently.

If you like your own fantasy in retards' world, then i wouldn't interrupt anymore. Go ahead

 

[hyperman]

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Wikipedia is not a credible source, esp, given that it follows instructions of US foreign policy.

They will try to avoid making a fool of US president.

This is Google's answer to 'Mention only those with concrete evidence' :

When assessing specific Iranian naval losses to the United States and Israel based strictly on concrete evidence—including declassified records, physical wreckage recovery, commercial satellite imagery, and specific visual confirmation by U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)—the verified warships sunk or destroyed are:

From the 2026 Conflict (Operation Epic Fury / Ramadan War)

• IRIS Dena (Jamaran-class frigate): Sunk on March 3, 2026, off the southern coast of Sri Lanka. Its destruction by a U.S. Navy submarine torpedo was visually confirmed via released operational video. The Sri Lanka Navy subsequently recovered 84 bodies of the Iranian crew and mapped an active oil slick at the coordinates. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Shahid Sayad Shirazi (Soleimani-class catamaran): Heavily damaged/Destroyed on March 3, 2026. CENTCOM released unclassified aerial imagery on March 4, 2026, explicitly showing the advanced missile corvette fully engulfed in flames following strikes. []
• IRIS Alvand (Alvand-class frigate): Sunk on February 28, 2026, during the opening salvos at the naval port of Bandar Abbas. Post-strike aerial reconnaissance and CENTCOM imagery confirmed it went down at its berth. [1, 2]
• IRIS Alborz (Alvand-class frigate): Destroyed on May 12, 2026. High-resolution commercial satellite imagery publicly confirmed the vessel was completely obliterated while sitting vulnerable inside an active dry dock. []

Trump is a retard, the whole American people are trying to follow this retard at expense of thier own reputation apparently.

If you like your own fantasy in retards' world, then i wouldn't interrupt anymore. Go ahead

In other words you can not even provide things like simple pictures of the ships currently docked to refute the assertions as being completely ridiculous.

How many people are in your country with cellphones? Not one can take a picture to post and laugh at the so called obvious lies? I doubt you put them all on sedan chairs and carried them on your shoulders into the mountains. Or maybe they are docked on the moon and just hard to get to?

 

[MS Sandhu]

The point still remains valid, the missile force was indestructible. The USA was not capable of destroying a single missile base. Yes, for periods of time they could suppress them spending hundreds of millions to do that, only to be dug out in hours with only thousands spent on that. However that suppression rate has been degraded with the drop in numbers of long range precision strike weapons that the USA has. The USA cannot suppress Iran's missile forces again, as it did at the outset as it does not have a magazine depth that allows it to do that anymore.

The question of how much of Iran's missile production capability was destroyed is an unknown that the moment, given that Iran will have moved large portions of it's manufacturing capabilities into deep storage in the mountains for protection prior to the start of the war.

Bro production line is not something you can shift somewhere and that too underground overnight.
And not everything can be shifted underground.
If you were producing 100missiles per month pre war but due to destruction of key facilities, your Production is limited to only 10-20 per month, this is a big capability gap and a big achievement for enemy.
At Hanyiah assassination, Iran fired almost 180 Ballistic Missiles in one or two nights alone, but due to suppression of bases during war, Iran was able to fire only 10-15 missiles - that is almost 90% suppression of offensive capability - not a fking joke.
Which nation on earth has been able to achieve this against any enemy?

Again, US is judged against 100% domination standards so its military performance is sometimes not appreciated as much as it should be.