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The relationship between the United States and Pakistan has long been marked by an asymmetric power dynamic, where Pakistan's sovereignty has frequently been compromised in favour of U.S. interests. This quasi-colonial relationship can be traced back to the 1950s and has evolved through various phases of manipulation, military alliances, and economic dependence.

The Cito Centre Agreement in 1954 was one of the first major events that signalled the beginning of U.S. control over Pakistan's foreign policy. Officially a military pact to counter the Soviet threat, it allowed the U.S. to establish military bases on Pakistani soil in exchange for financial and military aid. This marked the beginning of a pattern where Pakistan was forced into a position of dependence, its sovereignty undermined as U.S. personnel enjoyed privileges that made them exempt from local laws—similar to how colonial powers once treated their subjects.

The U-2 incident in 1960 was another glaring example of Pakistan’s compromised sovereignty. The U.S. was using Pakistani airbases to launch spy missions over the Soviet Union without Pakistan's consent, and when a U-2 spy plane was shot down, it was Pakistan that bore the diplomatic fallout. Pakistan’s role as a pawn in Cold War geopolitics was exposed, with the U.S. treating its territory as a mere staging ground for its own global strategies regardless of the potential dangers to Pakistan.

During the 1971 Indo-Pak war, the U.S. betrayed its supposed ally. Pakistan, under Yahya Khan, believed it had American support, but the Nixon administration was playing a double game, secretly favouring India. The U.S. manipulated Pakistan, using the war to further its own geopolitical goals, only to abandon Pakistan when it was defeated, leading to the loss of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). This betrayal underscored the colonial nature of the relationship, where Pakistan's interests were disposable in the face of American objectives.

In the 1980s, Pakistan became a critical tool for the U.S. during the Afghan Jihad against the Soviet Union. The Reagan administration funnelled billions of dollars through Pakistan to arm the Afghan Mujahideen, but Pakistan paid a steep price for this so-called alliance. The country became a hub for weapons and drugs, and its internal stability deteriorated as a result. While the U.S. achieved its strategic goals by weakening the Soviet Union, Pakistan was left to deal with the fallout: an influx of radicalised fighters, refugees, and a growing culture of extremism. Once again, Pakistan had been used to serve U.S. interests with little regard for the consequences it would face.

After the Cold War ended, the U.S. discarded Pakistan once more, imposing sanctions through the Pressler Amendment in 1990 over Pakistan’s nuclear ambitions. This was a clear signal that Pakistan’s value to the U.S. was purely transactional. During the Afghan war, Pakistan had been a key ally, but once the Soviets were gone, it became expendable. India, meanwhile, pursued its own nuclear ambitions with far less interference from Washington, exposing the double standards in U.S. foreign policy.

The post-9/11 era saw Pakistan thrust into the frontlines of America’s War on Terror. Under immense pressure, President Pervez Musharraf had little choice but to comply with US demands. Pakistan became a battleground for drone strikes, which killed thousands of civilians and caused widespread destruction. America’s War on Terror was, in many ways, a propaganda line that cost Pakistan more than $150 billion in economic losses, infrastructure damage, and human lives. NATO supply convoys heavily damaged Pakistan's roads, and the Taliban, seeing Pakistan as an American ally, took revenge by launching attacks across the country. It was a bizarre situation where, on one hand, the U.S. called Pakistan an ally, yet on the other, it conducted deadly drone strikes on Pakistani soil. The toll on Pakistan was immense: over 100,000 people were killed, and its internal security and economy were pushed to the brink.

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Pakistan's role in America's global strategy is as crucial as that of Ukraine or Palestine. The U.S. sees Pakistan as key to its survival in the current world order, controlling not only the South Asian region but also Central Asia and the broader Muslim world. Pakistan, with its population of 250 million, the second-largest Muslim population in the world, and its nuclear arsenal, is far too important for the U.S. to lose control over. American influence in Pakistan has long been maintained with the complicity of Pakistani generals and politicians like Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari, who have been key facilitators of U.S. interests. The U.S. is deeply aware that losing Pakistan would mean losing a major geopolitical asset, which is why American diplomats, such as Donald Lu, were allegedly involved in the political machinations that led to the ousting of Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.

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The stakes for the U.S. in Pakistan are as high as they are in Ukraine or Palestine. America will do everything in its power to maintain control over Pakistan, because controlling Pakistan means influencing the entire Central Asian region and maintaining leverage over the Muslim world. Pakistan’s nuclear capability makes it even more critical to U.S. strategy. A weak Pakistan, with a crippled economy, is easier for the U.S. to control. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank, both heavily influenced by the U.S., have been key tools in keeping Pakistan dependent on foreign loans, forcing it to adopt policies that weaken its economic sovereignty. A weakened economy forces Pakistan to bend to U.S. demands, ensuring it remains on its knees and unable to challenge American interests.

The U.S. also exerts control through Pakistan’s military. Hillary Clinton once commented that the U.S. uses Pakistan’s army to control the country. Washington deals with both Pakistan’s political leaders and its military, often playing one against the other to maintain its grip. Pakistani generals, eager for U.S. military aid and support, have historically facilitated American operations in the region, further entrenching Pakistan in its role as a client state.

This ongoing manipulation, where America plays a decisive role in Pakistan’s political and military affairs, reflects the deeper colonial mindset that has defined U.S.-Pakistan relations. Despite being an independent nation, Pakistan remains tethered to U.S. influence, with its leaders often forced to prioritise American interests over their own. Whether through military pacts, economic dependency, or covert operations, the U.S. continues to treat Pakistan as a modern colony, ensuring that it remains under Washington’s control in the broader game of global power politics.
 
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I think it's less America's intention to treat us like this and more of our own leaders just bending over backwards everytime a white man speaks to them.

Then they probably think, these guys have no self respect so why should we even bother dealing with them as equals.

I am sure we could maintain a very healthy relationship with the US if we politely put our foot down on certain matters.
 
I think it's less America's intention to treat us like this and more of our own leaders just bending over backwards everytime a white man speaks to them.

Then they probably think, these guys have no self respect so why should we even bother dealing with them as equals.

I am sure we could maintain a very healthy relationship with the US if we politely put our foot down on certain matters.


Shouldn't you be happy to be on a low gear with the Americans given the last thirty years

Now it's obvious there is a lot of blame to go around
 
Just look at how the wild boars stand obediently before their master and how he treats his people in Pakistan—pure assets for them.IMG_7807.jpeg
 
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I think it's less America's intention to treat us like this and more of our own leaders just bending over backwards everytime a white man speaks to them.

Then they probably think, these guys have no self respect so why should we even bother dealing with them as equals.

I am sure we could maintain a very healthy relationship with the US if we politely put our foot down on certain matters.
I can attest to this, personally. Americans are fair minded when it comes to their allies and friends. They accept the limitation in some countries like Pakistan.
It’s the fools in Pakistan that think the US didn’t wisen up to their treachery in Afghanistan - taking the money and still arming the taliban.

Every country has their own interest and I’m not singling out Pakistan, but the fact remains, the Americans saw the utter sleazy nation of Pakistanis. They noticed the utter disregard for its own people and taking money to sell its women and children. The US is a hyper masculine society. Don’t let the LGBT crap fool you. They firmly believe that the man should be a protector and a provider, but unfortunately Pakistanis can’t cut the mustard.
This likely shocked them selling women to a foreign power for $$$. They would never do shut a thing. Watching Pakistanis giving up the full house just because the other person is a westerner also contribute to this.
The Uncle Tom behavior, enslaved mindedness.
Americans take great pain to treat its allies with respect as they learned long time ago that allies make or break your country’s power. Pakistanis junta like low iq clowns that they are still think that things can be fixed when they can’t. They know that you overthrew a nationalist government just to fill your own pockets and nothing in return. They know your took $33bn from the US without even applying those funds to your education, medical, infrastructure sectors but instead end corrupts used it to purchase properties outside of Pakistan.

Americans see all of that and what do you expect to treat Pakistan as?
 
During the 1971 Indo-Pak war, the U.S. betrayed its supposed ally. Pakistan, under Yahya Khan, believed it had American support, but the Nixon administration was playing a double game, secretly favouring India. The U.S. manipulated Pakistan, using the war to further its own geopolitical goals, only to abandon Pakistan when it was defeated, leading to the loss of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). This betrayal underscored the colonial nature of the relationship, where Pakistan's interests were disposable in the face of American objectives.

USA could do nothing short of sending military troops to help out on East Pakistan. Nixon was already knee deep in SE Asia
 
I think it's less America's intention to treat us like this and more of our own leaders just bending over backwards everytime a white man speaks to them.

Then they probably think, these guys have no self respect so why should we even bother dealing with them as equals.

I am sure we could maintain a very healthy relationship with the US if we politely put our foot down on certain matters.

That would start with IMF loans
 
Shouldn't you be happy to be on a low gear with the Americans given the last thirty years

Now it's obvious there is a lot of blame to go around

It happened because we didn't deal with it right. Strategic depth, Kashmir, CPEC could all be in a much better position today.
 
The relationship between the United States and Pakistan has long been marked by an asymmetric power dynamic, where Pakistan's sovereignty has frequently been compromised in favour of U.S. interests. This quasi-colonial relationship can be traced back to the 1950s and has evolved through various phases of manipulation, military alliances, and economic dependence.

The Cito Centre Agreement in 1954 was one of the first major events that signalled the beginning of U.S. control over Pakistan's foreign policy. Officially a military pact to counter the Soviet threat, it allowed the U.S. to establish military bases on Pakistani soil in exchange for financial and military aid. This marked the beginning of a pattern where Pakistan was forced into a position of dependence, its sovereignty undermined as U.S. personnel enjoyed privileges that made them exempt from local laws—similar to how colonial powers once treated their subjects.

The U-2 incident in 1960 was another glaring example of Pakistan’s compromised sovereignty. The U.S. was using Pakistani airbases to launch spy missions over the Soviet Union without Pakistan's consent, and when a U-2 spy plane was shot down, it was Pakistan that bore the diplomatic fallout. Pakistan’s role as a pawn in Cold War geopolitics was exposed, with the U.S. treating its territory as a mere staging ground for its own global strategies regardless of the potential dangers to Pakistan.

During the 1971 Indo-Pak war, the U.S. betrayed its supposed ally. Pakistan, under Yahya Khan, believed it had American support, but the Nixon administration was playing a double game, secretly favouring India. The U.S. manipulated Pakistan, using the war to further its own geopolitical goals, only to abandon Pakistan when it was defeated, leading to the loss of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). This betrayal underscored the colonial nature of the relationship, where Pakistan's interests were disposable in the face of American objectives.

In the 1980s, Pakistan became a critical tool for the U.S. during the Afghan Jihad against the Soviet Union. The Reagan administration funnelled billions of dollars through Pakistan to arm the Afghan Mujahideen, but Pakistan paid a steep price for this so-called alliance. The country became a hub for weapons and drugs, and its internal stability deteriorated as a result. While the U.S. achieved its strategic goals by weakening the Soviet Union, Pakistan was left to deal with the fallout: an influx of radicalised fighters, refugees, and a growing culture of extremism. Once again, Pakistan had been used to serve U.S. interests with little regard for the consequences it would face.

After the Cold War ended, the U.S. discarded Pakistan once more, imposing sanctions through the Pressler Amendment in 1990 over Pakistan’s nuclear ambitions. This was a clear signal that Pakistan’s value to the U.S. was purely transactional. During the Afghan war, Pakistan had been a key ally, but once the Soviets were gone, it became expendable. India, meanwhile, pursued its own nuclear ambitions with far less interference from Washington, exposing the double standards in U.S. foreign policy.

The post-9/11 era saw Pakistan thrust into the frontlines of America’s War on Terror. Under immense pressure, President Pervez Musharraf had little choice but to comply with US demands. Pakistan became a battleground for drone strikes, which killed thousands of civilians and caused widespread destruction. America’s War on Terror was, in many ways, a propaganda line that cost Pakistan more than $150 billion in economic losses, infrastructure damage, and human lives. NATO supply convoys heavily damaged Pakistan's roads, and the Taliban, seeing Pakistan as an American ally, took revenge by launching attacks across the country. It was a bizarre situation where, on one hand, the U.S. called Pakistan an ally, yet on the other, it conducted deadly drone strikes on Pakistani soil. The toll on Pakistan was immense: over 100,000 people were killed, and its internal security and economy were pushed to the brink.

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Pakistan's role in America's global strategy is as crucial as that of Ukraine or Palestine. The U.S. sees Pakistan as key to its survival in the current world order, controlling not only the South Asian region but also Central Asia and the broader Muslim world. Pakistan, with its population of 250 million, the second-largest Muslim population in the world, and its nuclear arsenal, is far too important for the U.S. to lose control over. American influence in Pakistan has long been maintained with the complicity of Pakistani generals and politicians like Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari, who have been key facilitators of U.S. interests. The U.S. is deeply aware that losing Pakistan would mean losing a major geopolitical asset, which is why American diplomats, such as Donald Lu, were allegedly involved in the political machinations that led to the ousting of Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.

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The stakes for the U.S. in Pakistan are as high as they are in Ukraine or Palestine. America will do everything in its power to maintain control over Pakistan, because controlling Pakistan means influencing the entire Central Asian region and maintaining leverage over the Muslim world. Pakistan’s nuclear capability makes it even more critical to U.S. strategy. A weak Pakistan, with a crippled economy, is easier for the U.S. to control. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank, both heavily influenced by the U.S., have been key tools in keeping Pakistan dependent on foreign loans, forcing it to adopt policies that weaken its economic sovereignty. A weakened economy forces Pakistan to bend to U.S. demands, ensuring it remains on its knees and unable to challenge American interests.

The U.S. also exerts control through Pakistan’s military. Hillary Clinton once commented that the U.S. uses Pakistan’s army to control the country. Washington deals with both Pakistan’s political leaders and its military, often playing one against the other to maintain its grip. Pakistani generals, eager for U.S. military aid and support, have historically facilitated American operations in the region, further entrenching Pakistan in its role as a client state.

This ongoing manipulation, where America plays a decisive role in Pakistan’s political and military affairs, reflects the deeper colonial mindset that has defined U.S.-Pakistan relations. Despite being an independent nation, Pakistan remains tethered to U.S. influence, with its leaders often forced to prioritise American interests over their own. Whether through military pacts, economic dependency, or covert operations, the U.S. continues to treat Pakistan as a modern colony, ensuring that it remains under Washington’s control in the broader game of global power politics.

I can't seem to open the source link above but now I am pretty certain that these articles are always pushed by Pakistani military establishment. Whenever Pakistan fails to receive loans or US stops listening to the estab, such paid articles are circulated depicting how US has treated Pakistan so unfairly. Used it and then left it in a mess. Most of it is bull shite... Pakistani estab is not interested in fixing real issues of the country. Their focus is always gaining quick, short term gains.
 
I can't seem to open the source link above but now I am pretty certain that these articles are always pushed by Pakistani military establishment. Whenever Pakistan fails to receive loans or US stops listening to the estab, such paid articles are circulated depicting how US has treated Pakistan so unfairly. Used it and then left it in a mess. Most of it is bull shite... Pakistani estab is not interested in fixing real issues of the country. Their focus is always gaining quick, short term gains.
You misunderstood the article. Most of my articles discuss our puppet leaders who have sold Pakistan short. I believe weak people blame their adversaries, but unfortunately, Pakistan is ruled by those who are not loyal to the country. I don't blame America; I hold our own people accountable. My articles focus on our shortcomings and how we can address these issues for future generations.I’m against taking loans; I’d rather see all 250 millions die with hungry than accept money from others.
 
It happened because we didn't deal with it right. Strategic depth, Kashmir, CPEC could all be in a much better position today.


Well circular argument

Didn't deal with it right because their version of right is different to yours
 
Seems to be a chatGPT written piece stating quasi obvious factoids playing into the angry youth PTI narrative.

The US did nothing substantial vis a vis PTI - yet it was blown up both because Gen B was/is completely compromised as an individual and because IK and Co created the false icon parade.

Everything else is plain and simple -

The United States looks out for its interests as a state just as we assume Pakistan does - however, based on various leaks and testimonies it seems Pakistan is not always able to look out for it’s interests simply because an institution’s leadership over the years thinks it’s god gift to earth and in combination with being compromised personally interferes with semi qualified but somewhat experienced individuals in the foreign office and tells them it knows their job better.

It also tries to over exert its influence at the national decision level which is why the state “memory” and learning never developed to deal with the US in a state to state consistent fashion. Instead the Army runs as the state within the state leading its own foreign, security, financial, interior, education etc etc policies which it either deems to only involve the civilian side of the state into if either it requires cursory assistance or it screws up inevitably that it needs help.

That is something the US happily exploits to push its more unified approach to tackling Pakistan.

So the US isn’t at fault - whatever and whoever decides to represent Pakistan state that particular point in time is; because forget about different government policies - even in those cases the Army brass has its own policy, foreign office is running something else, political leaders say something else and in that end the US deals with who has the most agency, and matches with their goals or they enable that group that matches their goals.

Case in point - the reported Bajwa push to compromise everything to get peace with India, whose interest was that pushing?
 
I can attest to this, personally. Americans are fair minded when it comes to their allies and friends. They accept the limitation in some countries like Pakistan.
It’s the fools in Pakistan that think the US didn’t wisen up to their treachery in Afghanistan - taking the money and still arming the taliban.

Every country has their own interest and I’m not singling out Pakistan, but the fact remains, the Americans saw the utter sleazy nation of Pakistanis. They noticed the utter disregard for its own people and taking money to sell its women and children. The US is a hyper masculine society. Don’t let the LGBT crap fool you. They firmly believe that the man should be a protector and a provider, but unfortunately Pakistanis can’t cut the mustard.
This likely shocked them selling women to a foreign power for $$$. They would never do shut a thing. Watching Pakistanis giving up the full house just because the other person is a westerner also contribute to this.
The Uncle Tom behavior, enslaved mindedness.
Americans take great pain to treat its allies with respect as they learned long time ago that allies make or break your country’s power. Pakistanis junta like low iq clowns that they are still think that things can be fixed when they can’t. They know that you overthrew a nationalist government just to fill your own pockets and nothing in return. They know your took $33bn from the US without even applying those funds to your education, medical, infrastructure sectors but instead end corrupts used it to purchase properties outside of Pakistan.

Americans see all of that and what do you expect to treat Pakistan as?
We never aided the talibs against the US. We just refused to go and fight talibs and die for US interests. Yes, we agreed to police the Pak/ Afghan borders for money, because it was offered. The situation we're in with the tribals/ afghani has been there for hundreds of years now.
 
We never aided the talibs against the US. We just refused to go and fight talibs and die for US interests. Yes, we agreed to police the Pak/ Afghan borders for money, because it was offered. The situation we're in with the tribals/ afghani has been there for hundreds of years now.
Not quite. Even by inaction led to actions. Read up on the massive murder of tribals 2001-2003. Pakistan was in fully cahoots with the US to a certain degree. They treated their own country as a waste land no better than what the enemy does. Why do you duffers continue to defend these savages even when you seen how they’ve treated their own in Lahore and Islamabad with heavy handedness. Do you think the tribals are receiving similar treatment, better, or a lot worse?
 

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