An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

[Ibbi32]

The facts are that the JF-17 is a highly reliable fighter.

Not reliable enough. They are cheap enough and in ample supply such that any loss isnt a major blow but they are still prone to failure and a responsible air force improves rather than boasts

 

[Mobius]

 

[Dalit]

Not reliable enough. They are cheap enough and in ample supply such that any loss isnt a major blow but they are still prone to failure and a responsible air force improves rather than boasts

Very reliable. Especially the more advanced blocks.

 

[RocketLaw]

Arab Report on Tejas crash at Dubai Airshow.

Some serious concerns raised.

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Why did the Indians prohibit filming inside the aircraft, despite the Russians and Americans allowing filming inside their fighter jets?

And did the quality of manufacturing play a role in the accident? More details about the Indian plane that crashed today in Dubai.

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When comparing the JF-17 Thunder and Tejas, keep the context in mind:

- JF-17: 186+ aircraft delivered (AND real customers delivered + new friendly customer + May 2025 activated)
-in service with 4 air forces
-5 losses recorded

- Tejas: 35 aircraft delivered (minus-)
- in service with 1 air force
- 2 losses recorded

The programs are at very different stages of maturity and operational scale.



JF-17 - First Flight since 2003
Tejas - First Flight since 2001

Now Indian airspaces are very very valuables for future adversaries.

 

[Liquidator]

I've got a joke about the Taliban seeing it's potential to suit their "unique" requirements, but I'll save that joke for another day.

 

[PK781]

Why the **** are people even comparing tejas with jf-17?

And there's still too much appeasement being done!!

 

[Mr X]

Wait for 5 years and this picture will be circulated by dhoti media as proof of Pakistani Aircraft shot by IAF…

And when somebody will correct them with fact check, they will call him a traitor

 

[Blain2]

Not reliable enough. They are cheap enough and in ample supply such that any loss isnt a major blow but they are still prone to failure and a responsible air force improves rather than boasts

I would ask, what is your basis for suggesting "not reliable enough"? Is there data? And cheap is all relative. Current block are $25M/ac. That is not cheap when you add the weapons package etc. to the aircraft. $25M compared to F-7s of the past which were $4M a copy.

Any aircraft is prone to failure, including F-35s/F-22s. Rest I agree with.

 

[Blain2]

Arab Report on Tejas crash at Dubai Airshow.

Some serious concerns raised.

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Why did the Indians prohibit filming inside the aircraft, despite the Russians and Americans allowing filming inside their fighter jets?

And did the quality of manufacturing play a role in the accident? More details about the Indian plane that crashed today in Dubai.

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When comparing the JF-17 Thunder and Tejas, keep the context in mind:

- JF-17: 186+ aircraft delivered (AND real customers delivered + new friendly customer + May 2025 activated)
-in service with 4 air forces
-5 losses recorded

- Tejas: 35 aircraft delivered (minus-)
- in service with 1 air force
- 2 losses recorded

The programs are at very different stages of maturity and operational scale.

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JF-17 - First Flight since 2003
Tejas - First Flight since 2001

Now Indian airspaces are very very valuables for future adversaries.

The real comparison is the flight hours being flown by an operational/FOC fleet of close to 200 aircraft vs. a few test beds and 35 odd aircraft in an interim state between IOC and FOC.
If they have lost 2 aircraft vs. 5 for JF-17s, I'd put my bet on the latter which still has a better metric for a class A type mishap given the very high # of flight hours.
Countless F-16s have gone down but the fleet has also flown 20 million flight hours. While JF-17 would be nowhere close to that, it certainly is much higher than LCA.

 

[Corax]

People forget Indians laugh at the death of Palestinians children and they support Israel. Their media was laughing at the recent floods in Pakistan which killed many innocent civilians including children and babies so these Pakistanis need to stop trying to be holier than thou.

They have a pathological perverse pleasure at seeing Muslims suffer, that's their hindutva apologists love Israel so much.

 

[Corax]

Disagree.. This is not the thread to discuss this but the blunt fact is that the India Pakistan enmity is no longer just a territorial dispute, Follow the posts in the thread here,

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'
https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ews-updates-and-discussion.21640/post-1030462

This is an existential threat, it's us or them.

 

[kubotabx23]

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Let it be known that before publicly offering condolences to the deceased pilot's family/relatives, Shiv "Shit" Aroor, arguably one of India's bigger journalists, decides to instead post a needless ragebait.

Barring a few people, don't think anyone sensible is actively celebrating the loss of a pilot, nor have we ever celebrated the loss of innocent civilians (Air India 171).

Yet Pakistan remains living rent free in many Indian nationalist's head, even in a time of domestic (Indian) tragedy that has nothing to do with Pakistan.

 

[RocketLaw]

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There are 186 JF-17s in service around the world, only 5 crashed (not 6) = 2.7% of the total fleet.
JF-17 have clocked over 40,000 flight hours.
That's 8000 flight hours per crash.

There are only 30 Tejas and 2 crashed = 6.7% of the fleet.
Tejas have only clocked 1,954 flight hours, that's 977 flight hours per crash.

The first reaction of the indian air force making a fool out of themselves is to blame and mock others, these people never look within to find the issue that caused this.

@Blain2 - see red bold to see total hours for each flight.

 

[Master Chief]

LMFAO @ Arnab & Co!!!!!

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Trying so hard to not shitpost on this thread but this feeding frenzy of warthogs at the Goswami waterhole hardly hours after the unfortunate incident is looking seriously pathological. What is wrong with the Indians who watch this garbage?? Stop watching it so their ratings go down! But alas, you never will stop because it clearly massages fragile egos.

Absolute FFS man. Wtf are these Sindoorians even banging on about? In one breath, they bring damnation upon USA, Pakistan, Turkiye and goodness knows who else who had nowt to do with this incident, but nothing can possibly be the fault of any single Indian anywhere along the procurement, servicing, maintenance, and operational pathway, can it?

Why would Indian media not just shut up with the usual vitriol and instead just do what a normal qom might do and plaster the screens with pictures and obituaries of the fallen pilot in his honour?

It's really a disgrace. Zero accountability and zero quiet reflection.

No different to the disgrace of India ignoring their casualties and martyrs of operation Sindoor. No different to the blame shifting and ignoring of the victims' families from the 787 crash in Ahmedabad.

 

[Ibbi32]

I would ask, what is your basis for suggesting "not reliable enough"? Is there data? And cheap is all relative. Current block are $25M/ac. That is not cheap when you add the weapons package etc. to the aircraft. $25M compared to F-7s of the past which were $4M a copy.

Any aircraft is prone to failure, including F-35s/F-22s. Rest I agree with.

I compare their cheapness to our prior losses in f-16s which were by comparison much more painful. My main problem is that weve seen multiple engine failures already. Part of that is likely the compromise of working with rd93 and their limited lifespan but having 5 aircrafts lost in last 10 years is bad imo for such new aircraft. We are losing airframes that have so much life and potential left in them. By comparison after retiring most legacy mirages their crash rates have dramatically decreased and f-16s also have much improved crash rate. By comparison to our f-7s they are definitely much better but they are still crashing much more than what i believe should be an acceptable rate if we are to replace our old f-7 and mirage fleets we must ensure that the airframes that are built remain in service for a long time