An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

[Dalit]

Man. I'm saying we shouldn't underestimate the IAF or their pilots, which have been credited by other nations. This doesn't change the fact that we're better than them in discipline, tactics, training, etc. I think it should be a compliment, their competency makes our competency shine even brighter. It goes to show, if we had been with a weaker opponent then we would've absolutely trashed them.

Of course you are saying... Keep on saying...

 

[Blain2]

If you have quality or an upper hand, it's best left unsaid. Pakistan/Pakistanis need to work quietly to improve what they have for any future eventuality.

Professionals are on both sides. We have lost aircraft to them in air combat, and they have to us.

Hope for no war, no conflict (as much as this goes against the trajectory of the two countries with Modi at the helm on the other side) and that these conversations remain in the context of hypotheticals. That is good for both sides.

 

[Hussain]

This list looks wrong. Most places only list 2 crashes, and that is roughly inline with my own recollection of its history. Do you have any references/documentation for your list ?

Yes I rechecked, apologies, you are right, they were not hull losses. Only two hull losses.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am a 34 year old man. Well almost in March. You do not need to teach me about maturity.

Just because something is made by American does not guarantee quality.

There are many things even India does better than USA, but in manufacturing, that is not one of them.

I know India is Pakistan's enemy.

Well, for almost 34 years old; let me educate you. You've a long way to go when it come to maturity. Further, and not that it has anything to do with anything, I am nearly twice your age.

I've never once in my time here stated or even suggested all things American-made guarantee quality. That is a given.

The world is fully aware that Pakistan and India are enemies.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

If you have quality or an upper hand, it's best left unsaid. Pakistan/Pakistanis need to work quietly to improve what they have for any future eventuality.

Professionals are on both sides. We have lost aircraft to them in air combat, and they have to us.

Hope for no war, no conflict (as much as this goes against the trajectory of the two countries with Modi at the helm on the other side) and that these conversations remain in the context of hypotheticals. That is good for both sides.

Yes, China should help Pakistan in such as way, that Pakistan is self-sufficient and help itself grow.

Pakistan's economy needs the most attention. Our economy for 266 million people is not very good.

 

[Dalit]

Feel like getting some Gulab Jaman, have not had one in quite some time

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There is nothing wrong in celebrating the loss of your enemy. May we see many more such beautiful days.

 

[meh_analysis]

Mig-19s and mig-21s were widowmakers in paf service. But as with any professional force we should look inwards on planes not pilots. F-104 was known as a widowmaker in German service and had a simmilarly bad loss rate due to a multitude of factors but mostly poor pilot training. Comparatively not one f-104 in pakistani service was lost in an accident (mostly because only elite pilots were allowed to fly and there were so few airframes and even those were sanctioned) but it does show what different forces practices can lead to a result. Compared to the indians we effectively matched their crash rate till early 2000s. Look up the ridiculous number of crashes of legacy mirages and f-7s and f-16 from that time. However we then improved drasticaly. Look at f-16 for example 8 losses between 1987-1997 and then only 2 losses between 1997-2025. The fact of the matter is PAF is a professional airforce that doesnt blame the aircraft or the pilot but looks inwards and improves upon itself to not let more accidents happen. Compared to india we are miles ahead

Are you stupid? We lost 5 by crashes, the F-104. Also we didn't match the IAF in crash rates ever, they on average crashed more fighter. Mainly because of their low trainer fleet to fighter ratio, as many would get supersonic flights before even understanding subsonic flights. Also IAF never operated Mig-19, while the PAF did operate the F-6 a lot while also having a below average crash rate. Better than any airforce that used them btw. Also the F-6/Mig-19 was absolutely worse in attrition compared to Mig-21. Hence a better comparison is F-7 to Mig-21, which IAF have more than double if we're being the most generous. We always had better ratio than IAF, infact one of the best in the world. Idk what you're talking about.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

There is nothing wrong in celebrating the loss of your enemy.

Yes, because the enemy wishes for our destruction. Check the Indian forums.

Or they call us pork, or arab wannabes. lol. Or Pa//ki.

 

[Khanivore]

I'm leaning in that direction too.

The pilot was forcing a mediocre aircraft designed by mediocre people to perform stuff it wasn't capable of. So the pilot lost patience with the machine and unwittingly forced a failure.

Yeah, when I was watching some clips of it flying I was thinking to myself this Tejas seems like an unstable aircraft and they probably badly programmed its FBW system. The pilot seemed to be struggling with it.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Ain't gona shed no tear on this one we are in state of war with this nation

 

[side-winder]

Khawaja Shb was probably feeling too lazy to write something - instead just posted a screenshot of a social media handle to express his thoughts -- anyway, good gesture being the defence minister.

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[koolio]

Rip to the pilot, this is devastating for Indian Airforce, just when it couldn't get any worse, Tejas against Jf17 thunder no chance, but never let your guard down against any opponent.

 

[Khanivore]

Have been saying this for ages, many on here grant the IAF with a similar ethos and professionalism as the PAF, possibly due to the fact that both air forces derived from the RAF.
Although this may have been true in the 50s and 60s, I really think that the widescale adoption of Soviet equipment, training and tactics had a detrimental effect on the IAF.
Yes, they have some good kit, but culture, training and ethos is more similar to former Eastern Block then it is to US/NATO

Sabre, F-104 then later the F-16 ensured PAF was exposed to the very highest training, safety standards and culture.

My opinion anyway.

By the way, PAF pilots were trained by diehard ex-RAF Polish dogfighters who had a lot of experiencing fighting the Germans during WW2.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Ain't gona shed no tear on this one we are in state of war with this nation

I concur with you.

Why should we care? when the neighbour wishes for our destruction on their Indian forums.

Calling us po//rki, Pa//ki, and other racist remarks like arab wannabes.

when these indio//ts, cow shit eaters and cow urine drinkers need a reality check.

I'm sorry I said it like that. But these Indio//ts are really asking for it, when they trash-talk Muslims and Pakistanis and even the "Chinese" on their forums.

Thanks Allah, China is a Buddhist nation.