Arab Gulf states… a strategic victory without war

[ShapurII]

world would be a better place if Iranians, Arabs and Turks were not at each other throats
i am not the one fighting

Sort of rich coming from a person from a country that is actively suppressing and committing crimes against its own Kashmiri population, don't you think so?

 

[Indos]

and even after all this, they still won't be able to raise a competent defensive force on their own, they will keep paying the americans for that.....and expect nothing in return.
When will they ever learn ?? perhaps never.
However, i still expect the world and its people still to be on edge, specially those in UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait.....if war restarts anytime they;re again the guinea pigs

Gulf states are actually low populated place, despite huge defense spending and modern defense equipment, it has limitation to go against country like Iran with 90 million people ( with people not being spoiled with high income like in rich countries) and large areas. If war does happen, the ground invasion that is the threat for them.

This is why country like Singapore and Malaysia still need defense umbrella of Britain and Australia (FPDA) to deter any possible Indonesian aggressive move

 

[ety]

Gulf states are actually low populated place, despite huge defense spending and modern defense equipment, it has limitation to go against country like Iran with 90 million people ( with people not being spoiled with high income like in rich countries) and large areas. If war does happen, the ground invasion that is the threat for them.

This is why country like Singapore and Malaysia still need defense umbrella of Britain and Australia (FPDA) to deter any possible Indonesian aggressive move

It's the first time I hear that Britain and Australia are defending Singapore and Malaysia in any way, seriously. I thought Singapore is an American military ally for real. The British left long ago and Aussies they can try to defend their own land first.

 

[Indos]

It's the first time I hear that Britain and Australia are defending Singapore and Malaysia in any way, seriously. I thought Singapore is an American military ally for real. The British left long ago and Aussies they can try to defend their own land first.

Ya, there is close cooperation between USA and Singapore and Singapore buy lot of US defense equipment, but it is British and Australia that really willing to defend them during 1960's against Indonesia. I think this is why their trust on both British and Australia pretty high

Actually the 1949 Peace Deal between Indonesia and Dutch didnt cover current Indonesia. Not only Papua Island, but other Islands are the result of Indonesian invasion like in Maluku Island, and later East Timor is also invaded under Soeharto.

USA is more toward global power landscape, so they dont want to go against Indonesia during 1960's due to their rivalry with Communist Power (Soviet and China). Losing Indonesia is big lost to them. Geopolitically it is not in their interest. So that thing could happen as well during the rivalry between USA and China (+Russia) Today. This is why FPDA is still exist despite close relationship between US and Singapore.

But I dont think current British and Australia will act the same like in 1960's. Their willingness during that time is more likely because they still see both Singapore and Malaysia as theirs ( Malaysia and Singapore get their independence peacefully in 1957).

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FPDA—not fade away​

21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham

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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

FPDA—not fade away | The Strategist

Three years ago the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) celebrated its 40th birthday, an anniversary that sparked a flutter of international curiosity about this most eclectic of regional security frameworks. By way of animal analogy, ...

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[Proud Thamizhan]

The Arab nations, Iran and even Pakistan should remember their glorious ancient civilized past and realize they do not need the constant approval of western countries. You don;t have to prove your religion , you don't have to show anything. Just make sure your people are treated well and be open to reforming whatever is wrong or unsuitable in your statecraft, religion, culture, labguage, science ..to how humans are evolving. MBS kept wagging his tail only to be called ass kisser, for example.

 

[ety]

Ya, there is close cooperation between USA and Singapore and Singapore buy lot of US defense equipment, but it is British and Australia that really willing to defend them during 1960's against Indonesia. I think this is why their trust on both British and Australia pretty high

Actually the 1949 Peace Deal between Indonesia and Dutch didnt cover current Indonesia. Not only Papua Island, but other Islands are the result of Indonesian invasion like in Maluku Island, and later East Timor is also invaded under Soeharto.

USA is more toward global power landscape, so they dont want to go against Indonesia during 1960's due to their rivalry with Communist Power (Soviet and China). Losing Indonesia is big lost to them. Geopolitically it is not in their interest. So that thing could happen as well during the rivalry between USA and China (+Russia) Today. This is why FPDA is still exist despite close relationship between US and Singapore.

But I dont think current British and Australia will act the same like in 1960's. Their willingness during that time is more likely because they still see both Singapore and Malaysia as theirs ( Malaysia and Singapore get their independence peacefully in 1957).

--------------------

FPDA—not fade away​

21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham

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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

FPDA—not fade away | The Strategist

Three years ago the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) celebrated its 40th birthday, an anniversary that sparked a flutter of international curiosity about this most eclectic of regional security frameworks. By way of animal analogy, ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

I think the British and Aussie are unlikely to alone come across the ocean to SEA to fight no walkover Indonesia for the sake of Singapore and Malaysia without US also participating. Unless the British still believe the sun has never set on its empire and it is still a great power if not superpower.

 

[Indos]

I think the British and Aussie are unlikely to alone come across the ocean to SEA to fight no walkover Indonesia for the sake of Singapore and Malaysia without US also participating. Unless the British still believe the sun has never set on its empire and it is still a great power if not superpower.

Yup, time has change. I also see that way.