Arab Gulf states… a strategic victory without war

[_Arabia_]

so Tens of Thousands of Iranian Casualties, 1 Saudi Engineer MARTYRED, and 2 Bangladeshi Perish... interesting choice of words, but tells me everything wrong with the Muslim world, do carry on.

Those are facts on the ground. I could care less if you or others have a problem with this ground reality. I also do not care about an Iran-Israel/US conflict. My main worry is that of KSA and other Arab nations in the region.

No offence to Gulf arabs but there is no victory for you here. Iran have established itself as regional hegemon. USA will leave soon. Gulf arabs were scared shit to retaliate and Iranians smelled that fear right through it.

Pakistan which didn't even wait a day to strike back at Iran in 2024 was selling churan of restrain. Same Pakistan shot down 7-0 Indian jets in 30 minutes after their first strike, forcing them to call for ceasefire and eventual Trump mediation.

Going forward sign comprehensive mutual defence agreements with Pakistan to deter Iran.

Saudi Arabians are not Gulf Arabs and nobody is worried about an entity that has never defeated Arabs even once in any single war let alone conflict. The only thing that Iran can do is damage oil and gas infrastructure in the GCC. Nothing more and nothing less. Similarly even the smallest GCC air forces can destroy Iranian gas and oil infrastructure as well.

And no, GCC states already retaliated on numerous occasions. I posted 3 sources already and there are 100's out there.

And in any case, my main focus is on KSA which was virtually left untouched as I wrote and nobody (as in people) is scared of anything, lol.

If KSA was worried, KSA would not have been (actively) for almost 2 months, the main logistical hub of the US military.

Without KSA, the US could not have attacked Iran this heavily and caused it so much damage.

Which I am personally fine with because the Iranian regime has been aiding anti-KSA elements continuously since 1979 so this is only payback and well deserved.

Clearly you don't know a S of strategic victory mean.

As I wrote in post 86, if there is any winner in this conflict it is KSA and nobody else. It is obvious for everyone. All economic, political etc. indicators also confirm it.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

As I wrote in post 86, if there is any winner in this conflict it is KSA and nobody else. It is obvious for everyone. All economic, political etc. indicators also confirm it.

Iran just got rid of all sanctions, yes all sanctions overnight. $300billion package paid by mustly GCC (final details awaited).

And on top of that permanent control over Hormuz, which is humiliating for GCC. Now if USA sanction Iran again, they will close strait of Hormuz. At that point sanctioning Iran become counter productive unlike in the past. Now they will sell oil at market prices. No more India/China buying discounted oil from Iran.

They keep missile/drone which will only get better. Their nuclear deal is like Obama one at worst. Its not like they were able to build nuke for decades anyway.

Iran without sanctions will have $2 trillion economy in 10 years. I bet they have promised Trump to buy lots of Boeing planes.

 

[_Arabia_]

Iran just got rid of all sanctions, yes all sanctions overnight. $300billion package paid by mustly GCC (final details awaited).

And on top of that permanent control over Hormuz, which is humiliating for GCC. Now if USA sanction Iran again, they will close strait of Hormuz. At that point sanctioning Iran become counter productive unlike in the past. Now they will sell oil at market prices. No more India/China buying discounted oil from Iran.

They keep missile/drone which will only get better. Their nuclear deal is like Obama one at worst. Its not like they were able to build nuke for decades anyway.

Iran without sanctions will have $2 trillion economy in 10 years. I bet they have promised Trump to buy lots of Boeing planes.

Are you honestly this dumb and naive? I have not read about any such deal, I personally do not care about it and hence do not follow it, but if you believe that the GCC (once again I care about KSA and the GCC is not one single country it makes no sense to talk about the GCC as one unit anymore than it makes sense to talk about the Arab or Muslim world) is going to even pay 1 dollar to Iran, you are absolutely even more deluded than what you have shown here.

There is no permanent control of any international water and last time I checked Oman (GCC) borders this strait as well and KSA does not rely on this strait at all as we have the longest coastline in the region and access through the Bab el Mandeb (where 10-15% of all the world's trade passes through) and Suez Canal. Not to mention direct access to the Arabian Sea through KSA-controlled Yemen and Oman.

KSA has a massive missile arsenal as well and likely much more sophisticated (bigger reach and bigger payload already confirmed) courtesy of China and other allies and this infrastructure keeps improving all the time which even Zionist OSINT users are publicly speaking and writing about.

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As well as the region's best air defence alongside Israel and soon F-35 and other world class military equipment.

KSA alone is almost a 2 trillion USD economy and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The GCC will always be richer.

Lastly as I already told you, I and most of the 500 million Arabs do not care about tiny Iran and I do not care what they are doing, as long as they are not meddling in internal Arab affairs. If they start acting like a normal neighbor say 10 years down the road, we will have no problems with them. Let alone the millions of Iranian Arabs.

There is nothing much else to add here.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Sort of rich coming from a person from a country that is actively suppressing and committing crimes against its own Kashmiri population, don't you think so?

Its Occupied Kashmiris*

 

[mythbuster]

Are you honestly this dumb and naive? I have not read about any such deal, I personally do not care about it and hence do not follow it, but if you believe that the GCC (once again I care about KSA and the GCC is not one single country it makes no sense to talk about the GCC as one unit anymore than it makes sense to talk about the Arab or Muslim world) is going to even pay 1 dollar to Iran, you are absolutely even more deluded than what you have shown here.

There is no permanent control of any international water and last time I checked Oman (GCC) borders this strait as well and KSA does not rely on this strait at all as we have the longest coastline in the region and access through the Bab el Mandeb (where 10-15% of all the world's trade passes through) and Suez Canal. Not to mention direct access to the Arabian Sea through KSA-controlled Yemen and Oman.

KSA has a massive missile arsenal as well and likely much more sophisticated (bigger reach and bigger payload already confirmed) courtesy of China and other allies and this infrastructure keeps improving all the time which even Zionist OSINT users are publicly speaking and writing about.

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As well as the region's best air defence alongside Israel and soon F-35 and other world class military equipment.

KSA alone is almost a 2 trillion USD economy and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The GCC will always be richer.

Lastly as I already told you, I and most of the 500 million Arabs do not care about tiny Iran and I do not care what they are doing, as long as they are not meddling in internal Arab affairs. If they start acting like a normal neighbor say 10 years down the road, we will have no problems with them. Let alone the millions of Iranian Arabs.

There is nothing much else to add here.

With all this going for you , why did you get into a defence agreement with humble Pakistan ?

 

[ShapurII]

it is one thing to be eliminating your own defenseless citizens. it is another thing to shoot at countries that can shoot back

Which is why India always chooses the first one? Because it has been historically inadequate at shooting at countries that can shoot back.

 

[_Arabia_]

With all this going for you , why did you get into a defence agreement with humble Pakistan ?

For the same reason that KSA funded and helped your nuclear program to ensure your survival against the much larger and stronger India (on paper) and by every measure (population, economy and military size).

And because the Saudi Arabian regime and Pakistani regime are long-time allies and partners since the 1950's.

Same reason why KSA likely has access to nuclear weapons already.

When has Pakistan ever had the need to aid KSA against anybody and who could endanger (existentially) KSA other than USA (strongest power on earth) but it would require a ground invasion (you cannot win wars just by bombing from the air - recent example if Iran among 10's of others in the modern era - another example Houthi-controlled Yemen was heavily bombed for weeks on end and they did not collapse either) and Israel (only due to their nuclear triad) in the first place?

And Israel cannot nuke KSA (too large) without endangering itself heavily since KSA and Israel (Palestine) are located very close.



Another theory could be that the Pakistani military, if present in KSA in large numbers, are more likely to remain loyal to the Saudi Arabian regime.

Same reason why the Nizam of Hyderabad used Yemeni Arabs as royal guards and as his elite soldiers.

Since you call yourself "Hyderabadi Arab" you might be related to those guys. Somehow refusing to answer when asked previously.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Are you honestly this dumb and naive? I have not read about any such deal, I personally do not care about it and hence do not follow it, but if you believe that the GCC (once again I care about KSA and the GCC is not one single country it makes no sense to talk about the GCC as one unit anymore than it makes sense to talk about the Arab or Muslim world) is going to even pay 1 dollar to Iran, you are absolutely even more deluded than what you have shown here.

There is no permanent control of any international water and last time I checked Oman (GCC) borders this strait as well and KSA does not rely on this strait at all as we have the longest coastline in the region and access through the Bab el Mandeb (where 10-15% of all the world's trade passes through) and Suez Canal. Not to mention direct access to the Arabian Sea through KSA-controlled Yemen and Oman.

KSA has a massive missile arsenal as well and likely much more sophisticated (bigger reach and bigger payload already confirmed) courtesy of China and other allies and this infrastructure keeps improving all the time which even Zionist OSINT users are publicly speaking and writing about.

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As well as the region's best air defence alongside Israel and soon F-35 and other world class military equipment.

KSA alone is almost a 2 trillion USD economy and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The GCC will always be richer.

Lastly as I already told you, I and most of the 500 million Arabs do not care about tiny Iran and I do not care what they are doing, as long as they are not meddling in internal Arab affairs. If they start acting like a normal neighbor say 10 years down the road, we will have no problems with them. Let alone the millions of Iranian Arabs.

There is nothing much else to add here.

Like I said lets wait for more details on $300bn but I bet all GCC will pay. Iran have also turned international water in to their suez canal.

 

[mythbuster]

For the same reason that KSA funded and helped your nuclear program to ensure your survival against the much larger and stronger India (on paper) and by every measure (population, economy and military size).

And because the Saudi Arabian regime and Pakistani regime are long-time allies and partners since the 1950's.

Same reason why KSA likely has access to nuclear weapons already.

When has Pakistan ever had the need to aid KSA against anybody and who could endanger (existentially) KSA other than USA (strongest power on earth) but it would require a ground invasion (you cannot win wars just by bombing from the air - recent example if Iran among 10's of others in the modern era - another example Houthi-controlled Yemen was heavily bombed for weeks on end and they did not collapse either) and Israel (only due to their nuclear triad) in the first place?

And Israel cannot nuke KSA (too large) without endangering itself heavily since KSA and Israel (Palestine) are located very close.

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Another theory could be that the Pakistani military, if present in KSA in large numbers, are more likely to remain loyal to the Saudi Arabian regime.

Same reason why the Nizam of Hyderabad used Yemeni Arabs as royal guards and as his elite soldiers.

Since you call yourself "Hyderabadi Arab" you might be related to those guys. Somehow refusing to answer when asked previously.

Too bad your leadership doesn't trust the loyalty of it's own military and has to depend on foreign mercenaries to defend themselves... this is not a desirable aspect of a wannabe mighty power.

 

[_Arabia_]

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Like I said lets wait for more details on $300bn but I bet all GCC will pay. Iran have also turned international water in to their suez canal.

Is that why Saudi Arabian oil tankers and merchant ships were leaving the Strait of Hormuz on a daily basis? How can an international body of water, half of it shared with Arab states, become the ownership of one particular country?

You are too dumb once again. The Suez Canal is entirely within Egyptian territorial waters. It is a man-made canal that is not bordered by any other country.

If you mean disturbing international trade is "control" by the same token, KSA could also sufficiently bloc the Red Sea and Gulf and claim ownership of it. Not how it works.

There is ZERO chance of the GCC, let alone in particular KSA, paying even 1 dollar to Iran. You are beyond deluded to think otherwise.

The RUMORS so far talk about IRANIAN assets stored in Qatari and Emirati banks. This is not "GCC money". Amazing and embarrassing for Iran that this situation even occurred.

Imagine tiny Eritrea or Kuwait holding billions of Saudi Arabian assets in their banks for years and POTENTIALLY that money being released to us, while hailing this as some kind of victory.

I guess having your leadership annihilated (much of it) your head of state, losing 10.000's of people and massive infrastructural damage (worth at least 300 billion USD), no nuclear weapons etc. is some kind of victory.

Delusion beyond belief.

 

[_Arabia_]

Too bad your leadership doesn't trust the loyalty of it's own military and has to depend on foreign mercenaries to defend themselves... this is not a desirable aspect of a wannabe mighty power.

You would be right, if there was not already 500.000 Saudi Arabian soldiers present across KSA (all military branches and SANG).

How many Pakistanis are present in KSA in comparison? 1500 of which most are retirees, trainers and other people, mostly employed in logistical roles.

You are overrating your importance here. Neither historically nor presently has this relationship, other than likely the nuclear angle, played much of a role for KSA.

Nor do we have any existential rivals other than if Israel went rogue and tried to nuke KSA (never going to happen likely and if the case - KSA is too huge and Israel is too close) or if suddenly the US went into KSA and invaded us with 1 + million soldiers. Very unlikely as well for 100's of reasons.

The US is by far the most important military ally and will remain so. Last time I checked THAAD, Patriots, F-15SA and soon to be F-35SA are all US state of the art tech. Not Papuan, not Senegalese and not Sri Lankan.

 

[mythbuster]

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Like I said lets wait for more details on $300bn but I bet all GCC will pay. Iran have also turned international water in to their suez canal.

300 $ billion is not aid or charity commitment ..... it's proposed to be an investment in Iranian infrastructure that will yield returns to the investors ....Iran is royally screwed ... learn to live with this reality.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

300 $ billion is not aid or charity commitment ..... it's proposed to be an investment in Iranian infrastructure that will yield returns to the investors ....Iran is royally screwed ... learn to live with this reality.

Even if its investment thats huge. Before war Iran was screwed economically and protests were common where mullahs had to kill thousands. Post war Iran will become economic powerhouse.

 

[_Arabia_]

300 $ billion is not aid or charity commitment ..... it's proposed to be an investment in Iranian infrastructure that will yield returns to the investors ....Iran is royally screwed ... learn to live with this reality.

I don't know about other GCC states (for instance UAE was the main hub for Iranian firms in the region, hosting the largest Iranian diaspora, the main smuggling route for Iranian sanction busting entreprises - ironically) but KSA is likely not going to invest anything within Iran. KSA and Iran signed some type of peace, brokered by the Chinese, a few years ago, and I have not to date heard any noteworthy KSA investments in Iran. For starters it makes little sense to invest in a deeply sanctioned country where over half of the wealth is controlled by the corrupt IRGC and their leadership. Most importantly it makes no sense to invest in a hostile regime that since 1979 has been aiding anti-KSA elements in the region.

However geopolitical events are a strange bedfellow. An unhinged Israel is a danger for everyone in the region. UAE shenanigans also make strange bedfellows. See where those two stand in Sudan for instance.

There is potential for a normal relationship here but it requires a sane leadership in Iran.

As I wrote many times, there are ancient millennia old trade ties between Southern Iran (Iranian Arab and Persian heartland of Iran) next door and Eastern Arabia.

 

[mythbuster]

You would be right, if there was not already 500.000 Saudi Arabian soldiers present across KSA (all military branches and SANG).

How many Pakistanis are present in KSA in comparison? 1500 of which most are retirees, trainers and other people, mostly employed in logistical roles.

You are overrating your importance here. Neither historically nor presently has this relationship, other than likely the nuclear angle, played much of a role for KSA.

Nor do we have any existential rivals other than if Israel went rogue and tried to nuke KSA (never going to happen likely and if the case - KSA is too huge and Israel is too close) or if suddenly the US went into KSA and invaded us with 1 + million soldiers. Very unlikely as well for 100's of reasons.

The US is by far the most important military ally and will remain so. Last time I checked THAAD, Patriots, F-15SA and soon to be F-35SA are all US state of the art tech. Not Papuan, not Senegalese and not Sri Lankan.

You are the one who made the insinuation that Pakistani will be the guards like the Hyderabadi Nawabs had like Yemenis and some others.