Attack on Jaffer Express

[OakTree23]

The Indians are full fledge trying hard to ignite a civil war in Pakistan by supporting these armed “Balouchis.”

The goal is to push Pakistan army reserves to Western Pakistan leaving the eastern with less resources to guard against a potential grab and captured operations. Israelis did the same to Al Assad pushing his once superb bog down in a civil war and then captured parts of Syria when the army was defeated or demoralized to fight back.

I’ve said it over and over, burn down IOK.

They are already on record bringing up Balochistan in their 2016 speech on 08/15/16.

Bomb Iran and Afghanistan for aiding their Hindu We Wuz Aryanz cousins. Start arming the civilians in IOK. You can’t stick your head in the sand and hope for peace while the enemy hasn’t stopped. The Iranians are likely encouraged by outside powers to meddle in Pakistan. No true Islamic bloc, but bunch of self selfing countries.

 

[Bilal]

He wants zardari and Maryam company to dictate everything. Good luck with that. These Immi twats don't really understand the fact that there's no PTI after khan is dead.

As if every aspect and possibility of civilian growth is not smothered with more resolve than the one against these terrorists.

 

[r3alist]

The path to peace in p

I can’t stand most Indians but especially her. After the August 2019 stunt, she penned an article asking Pakistan to not interfere in whatever was going on in IOK. It seems all of Indians work in cahoots with each others unlike Pakistanis which point fingers at each others.

This is platforming terrorist defence and sanitising a terrorist act


I am not sure I have seen it ever done to this extent

 

[Bilal]

Ok great idea - who replaces them? Even though not all stations as you allege - lets say you remove Army influence from all civilian avenues then whose influence goes?

Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Oscar]

Maybe focus on Balochistan crisis instead of obsessing over Kashmir.

Any tourist can freely visit Kashmir, it's a top travel destination for Indians. Can you say the same for Balochistan, where even a train ride isn’t safe?

In Kashmir, we have functioning government offices, panchayats, revenue departments, and public services like any other Indian state. Meanwhile, Balochistan is still dominated by a feudal Sardar system with little real governance.

Kashmir has widespread internet, telecom access, modern multiplex cinemas, and growing infrastructure. Can Balochistan claim the same?

India has managed to integrate Kashmir successfully with governance, development, and security. Pakistan, meanwhile, has a full blown insurgency in Balochistan that it can’t contain. Maybe that’s the bigger problem here.

Anyway, I doubt this post will last long, doesn’t fit the narrative mods prefer.

No you’re not wrong but you forget to mention that it was done in an up and down period of ethnic cleansing and replacement.
It is no DOUBT that India’s approach to Kashmir regardless of inhumane brutality it has used and anti muslim ideals that go in that approach - providing opportunities and development works.

I have friends who run Apple Orchards but also have warehouses in Dehli and so on and are now expanding. They do find the Hindutva abhorrent and even talk to Indian security forces abuse including rape as a weapon but at least they are surviving and to an extent thriving. The state offers them support regardless of elements of the state being used against them.

Pakistan unfortunately has NOT been able to provide the same for Balochistan. Primarily because Pakistan is a continuation of the British “occupation state” when it comes to systems and how the power structure is managed.

The British were UNABLE to occupy all of India effectively so their focus was to use locals to rule - and those locals they selected were usually NOT the ones that had fought against them. Hence those willing to take oath with the queen were , or willing to take money were.

So if the modus operandi of the British was to select those that don’t want empowered communities so rule is easier - the same people were selected by the state of Pakistan as “tribal knowledge” inherited. This was due to the immediate demise of Jinnah and his successors needing the existing feudal system to establish legitimacy and the many military officers who came established links with these same feudal so in the end the faces changed but the “sahibs” did not.

Where this all comes full circle is if the British sahib preferred to rule via the self serving Sardar who was “god incarnation” for all intents and purposes and even if they wanted progress it wad their own 80% and then 20% to be decided at their will - then the Pakistani “sahibs” do the same.

Unless or until this Pakistani “sahib” is removed via what @That_Guy terms the bloody revolution - this will go on and India may solve Kashmir(irrelevant to this) but Pakistan wont solve Balochistan and instead due to the unsustainable nature of this system with modern times and information spread will see further deterioration as it is in FATA and other areas where as you rightly put it cannot provide the people with development due to the existence of the feudal society.

Infact , the establishment of Pakistan is in such a bind that even if they want to provide the progress they cannot because then this feudal system fights back against them by using guise of oppression. Talk about a rock and a hard place.

And they are here because they chose to remain stagnant and also because all of them were afraid of losing legitimacy.

 

[hussain0216]

Exactly my point. They kill anyone based on ethnic lines and we have people here telling us that we should bring reforms. I mean reforms are some times in the form of professionals who work to teach you provide you with aervices and skill but balochis end up killing them always. The issue isn't about reforms it just they are racist and we need to change the demographic of balochistan.

We see it repeatedly, thread after thread and atrocity after atrocity

Clowns amongst our people and PDF members, making EXCUSES for these atrocities as if poverty or no jobs excuses murdering barbers and labourers or taking hundreds hostage on a train

This is the type is disjointed beghairat behaviour that's allows these ethnocentric clowns to commit the worst crimes


Politics, economy all these things are a long term project, even CPEC in balochistan became limited because of the insecurity and then they complain about no infrastructure and no jobs.


We can't keep pissing around with afghans or violent elements like Baloch separatists, just because you need to improve the political situation doesn't mean you can forgive monstrous behaviour

We need a ruthless trawling of Pakistan where we sweep up enemies and get rid of them, we have been so so soft on afghans and separatists

And now we need to KILL THEM AND THEIR SUPPORTERS, their can't be some soft response

 

[Oscar]

Stockholm syndrome.

Based on what?
Do you have a viable solution because regardless of who sits at the station - either the Army or PML(N) or PPP or any of the “feudal lords” will take influence.

 

[r3alist]

The Indians are full fledge trying hard to ignite a civil war in Pakistan by supporting these armed “Balouchis.”

The goal is to push Pakistan army reserves to Western Pakistan leaving the eastern with less resources to guard against a potential grab and captured operations. Israelis did the same to Al Assad pushing his once superb bog down in a civil war and then captured parts of Syria when the army was defeated or demoralized to fight back.

I’ve said it over and over, burn down IOK.

They are already on record bringing up Balochistan in their 2016 speech on 08/15/16.

Bomb Iran and Afghanistan for aiding their Hindu We Wuz Aryanz cousins. Start arming the civilians in IOK. You can’t stick your head in the sand and hope for peace while the enemy hasn’t stopped. The Iranians are likely encouraged by outside powers to meddle in Pakistan. No true Islamic bloc, but bunch of self selfing countries.

They will not attack but incite Pakistan to escalate so they can justify reciprocity

It's any excuse not to confront china... Pakistan is their only option

also perhaps lashing out due to bangladesh change.

who can really say, certainly the consistent narrative and quality of speakers being entertained is very determined and indecent

 

[Great Mal]

No you’re not wrong but you forget to mention that it was done in an up and down period of ethnic cleansing and replacement.
It is no DOUBT that India’s approach to Kashmir regardless of inhumane brutality it has used and anti muslim ideals that go in that approach - providing opportunities and development works.

I have friends who run Apple Orchards but also have warehouses in Dehli and so on and are now expanding. They do find the Hindutva abhorrent and even talk to Indian security forces abuse including rape as a weapon but at least they are surviving and to an extent thriving. The state offers them support regardless of elements of the state being used against them.

Pakistan unfortunately has NOT been able to provide the same for Balochistan. Primarily because Pakistan is a continuation of the British “occupation state” when it comes to systems and how the power structure is managed.

The British were UNABLE to occupy all of India effectively so their focus was to use locals to rule - and those locals they selected were usually NOT the ones that had fought against them. Hence those willing to take oath with the queen were , or willing to take money were.

So if the modus operandi of the British was to select those that don’t want empowered communities so rule is easier - the same people were selected by the state of Pakistan as “tribal knowledge” inherited. This was due to the immediate demise of Jinnah and his successors needing the existing feudal system to establish legitimacy and the many military officers who came established links with these same feudal so in the end the faces changed but the “sahibs” did not.

Where this all comes full circle is if the British sahib preferred to rule via the self serving Sardar who was “god incarnation” for all intents and purposes and even if they wanted progress it wad their own 80% and then 20% to be decided at their will - then the Pakistani “sahibs” do the same.

Unless or until this Pakistani “sahib” is removed via what @That_Guy terms the bloody revolution - this will go on and India may solve Kashmir(irrelevant to this) but Pakistan wont solve Balochistan and instead due to the unsustainable nature of this system with modern times and information spread will see further deterioration as it is in FATA and other areas where as you rightly put it cannot provide the people with development due to the existence of the feudal society.

Infact , the establishment of Pakistan is in such a bind that even if they want to provide the progress they cannot because then this feudal system fights back against them by using guise of oppression. Talk about a rock and a hard place.

And they are here because they chose to remain stagnant and also because all of them were afraid of losing legitimacy.

Who cares Indians have kashmir by the bottom whilst Pakistan cannot prevent flip flop desert dwellers from taking people hostage to outright kidnapping serving officers.

The issue with Pakistan is we cry & pray more than we indulge in getting things done.

The British who were once in control of this exact region noticed this trait in our people & aptly wrote down 'They (Muhammadans) by virtue are useless, relying solely on the mercy of God & seldom taking any effort to better themselves'

 

[Oscar]

He wants zardari and Maryam company to dictate everything. Good luck with that. These Immi twats don't really understand the fact that there's no PTI after khan is dead.

It doesn’t matter about PTI - its about the system. When your system is all feudal and elitist it wont matter which type you put into the station.
PTI was a great vessel for true change - IK’s blabbering mouth and his cojones burned it to the ground.

There is no change in Pakistan without educated middle class and particularly the millennials and onwards - and they have been disenfranchised by a cowardly establishment that panics on everything instead of letting systems do what they will.

Now they have an octupus of IK stuck in their throats - while they still want to have their cake and eat it too like the rest of the politicians.

It’s basically a cancer patient with gangrene eating caviar and slapping the flies away while vultures wait for it to die.

 

[Bilal]

Based on what?
Do you have a viable solution because regardless of who sits at the station - either the Army or PML(N) or PPP or any of the “feudal lords” will take influence.

Let’s first agree that no one should be sitting in the station. Second differentiating all the above that you listed would be a mistake as they are part of the same setup with patronage, protection and continuity guaranteed and ensured by none other than the ones that have been fooling everyone that they are the bulwark against the likes of ppp/pmln and so forth.

 

[r3alist]

Another one....

Starting to look very invested in this

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[Oscar]

Who cares Indians have kashmir by the bottom whilst Pakistan cannot prevent flip flop desert dwellers from taking people hostage to outright kidnapping serving officers.

The issue with Pakistan is we cry & pray more than we indulge in getting things done.

The British who were once in control of this exact region noticed this trait in our people & aptly wrote down 'They (Muhammadans) by virtue are useless, relying solely on the mercy of God & seldom taking any effort to better themselves'

Well - in that case my post above is gospel as to the endgame. If nothing will change as history is testament - then regardless of these self appeasing ones who feel empowered by throwing terms like “Jamedar” or “Youth - iyas” or otherwise. Pakistanis are not a viable nation and will balkanize as the Indians and many others want.

Lets not waste our time here.

 

[Oscar]

Let’s first agree that no one should be sitting in the station. Second differentiating all the above that you listed would be a mistake as they are part of the same setup with patronage, protection and continuity guaranteed and ensured by none other than the ones that have been fooling everyone that they are the bulwark against the likes of ppp/pmln and so forth.

Let’s assume that is the case - and you remove the establishment today . What happens tomorrow?
What’s the scenario?

 

[Liquidator]

All religious activity in Pakistan should be regulated

You can't have any tom dick or harry opening a madrassa or mosque on every corner.

They all need to be vetted, with qualifications and credentials checked. All institutions should also be regulated and held accountable. Otherwise you end up with a jahil society like this:

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I work in psych....the above illness is called acting and it can be cured by a nice firm slap on the face.

You cannot practice medicine without any qualifications....supposedly the preaching and practice of Islam is more noteworthy? More important to get right? So the process should be more strict.