Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[Areesh]

You can't do any of that buddy. You don't have the economic strength to fight an endless insurgency .

Genius you are already fighting an endless war because Pakistan military as per your wishes isn't going after the source of the insurgency that exists outside borders of pakistan

you certainly don't have the capability and intelligence to regularly take out their leaders.

Then build that capacity if pakistan is to survive

. You hold too high an opinion of the capabilities of Pakistani armed forces. They are not Mossad or CIA.

Litterally nobody here thinks too high of Pakistani armed forces capabilities. Not me at least

You are wrong here too

Israel gets literal rockets and drones fired at it regularly.

Far better than suicide bombers exploding in your cities. And they don't tolerate those rocket attacks too unlike Pakistan that has ability to tolerate massive suicide attacks resulting in dozens of deaths

We however do not have that luxury. 90% chance we never will either.

I never asked for that luxury either. Go read my previous posts again

Also this PTM is TTP and BYC is BLA shit is getting old.

Nope it isn't. It is the reality which you drawing room experts of Lahore and Islamabad don't want to accept

Engage with them now and give them political space to play or lose the outer regions forever and live in Punjabistan.

I have no problem with that

But if we are supposed to give political space to PTM (TTP) and BYC (BLA) then that facility should be given to political wings of all terrorist organization from Lashkar e Jhangvi to ISKP to any other

India did this far better than us in Kashmir

India is willing to go war with a nuclear powered neighbor while pakistan has no idea how to force two pariah shitholes to not provide refuge to terrorists

There is no difference

Already you cannot drive a Punjabi number plate to Quetta without thinking twice.

yup that is the result of not hitting terrorists in their safe havens

If you genuinely think taking out their leaders would kill their organisation then my question to you is how would you achieve that?

Ever heard of drones or covert operations?

Also my so called drawing room solution has never been tried.

It has always been tried. Dr Allah Nazar was released from the jail and he went to Iran to lead BLF

This nonsense that you are suggesting has been tried

Pakistan has tried one thing and one thing only, which is to go out with military force and crush all who oppose.

Lol

No genius it's your type of thinking that has been applied for 20 years.

No drawing room analyst. My idea was never implemented

in fact looking at your post I think you don't even know what exactly is my idea. You are just wasting your and my time in love of BLA

Your posts and many others seem to suggest that all Pakistan has to do is to go '100%' as if the armed forces are not already stretched to their limits.

Sending drone to hit BLA inside Afghanistan would somehow stretch Pakistani army?

Okay. Nice

You also operate in a vacuum of thinking where there will be no blowback from locals after we keep doing operation after operation and destroying it further. This is the reason that today BLA gets tip offs even inside Quetta on movements by PA convoys.

Lol operations are going to happen if their is militancy. That is the rule everywhere in the world. Yeah you in your rainbow world might not understand it but that is how states work. Only thing is Pakistani state is too confused about it.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Genius you are already fighting an endless war because Pakistan military as per your wishes isn't going after the source of the insurgency that exists outside borders of pakistan

This is what they have been doing for the last 20 years

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I don't know why we argue about the same thing everyday.

Simple fact is that small-scale tactical IBOs wont solve the problem. We need a long-term strategy with a direction.

Pakistan should emulate the Turkish/Sri Lankan strategy in Balochistan, given how popular BLA is, treat it as a hostile territory and carry out major scale operations with scorched earth tactics. Punish certain tribes, favour the loyal ones, and relocate into managable ones.

Dilute the region demographically along the coast. This is how long term consolidation works.

The fact is, more than India today, Baloch ethno-separatist fascism and Pashtun ethno-separatist fascism are bigger threats than India. They are exploited by foreigners like Afghanistan, India, etc.

Arrest ethno leaders first, arrest their associates and workers, major crackdown. Then implement major ops, relocations, etc.

 

[Abdul q]

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And it seems like everything is going according to plan… balkanization of Pakistan

 

[Cipher212]

sealing the border without kinetic ops in afghanistan just delays the problem and eventually someone will cross and we will have a mass casualty event ( because you will never have 100 percent sealed border )

both have to be done together
first close the border and clean kpk /bln
then kinetic ops in afghanistan , mirroring israels campaign in lebanon ( without the civilian casualties ofc )

only way

We don't have the money for that level of kinetic operation in a country the size of Afghanistan. Not to mention that Iran se bhi kaafi kuch aata hay.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

We don't have the money for that level of kinetic operation in a country the size of Afghanistan. Not to mention that Iran se bhi kaafi kuch aata hay.

Kinetic ops solution is actually on our own side of the border in BLN/KP.

For Afghanistan targeted strikes or select ops are neccessary not capture of entire territories which serves no strategic value and waste of resources.

Ideally you gotta realise certain populations are sources of instability within, you tame and weaken them or you let em go and stop shooting yourself in the foot

 

[El Sidd]

Interesting thread given if one visits the Fall of Dhaka thread. The casual mention of 1971 in the thread is also deeply intriguing.