Balochistan - Is there a solution?

[Areesh]

You can't do any of that buddy. You don't have the economic strength to fight an endless insurgency .

Genius you are already fighting an endless war because Pakistan military as per your wishes isn't going after the source of the insurgency that exists outside borders of pakistan

you certainly don't have the capability and intelligence to regularly take out their leaders.

Then build that capacity if pakistan is to survive

. You hold too high an opinion of the capabilities of Pakistani armed forces. They are not Mossad or CIA.

Litterally nobody here thinks too high of Pakistani armed forces capabilities. Not me at least

You are wrong here too

Israel gets literal rockets and drones fired at it regularly.

Far better than suicide bombers exploding in your cities. And they don't tolerate those rocket attacks too unlike Pakistan that has ability to tolerate massive suicide attacks resulting in dozens of deaths

We however do not have that luxury. 90% chance we never will either.

I never asked for that luxury either. Go read my previous posts again

Also this PTM is TTP and BYC is BLA shit is getting old.

Nope it isn't. It is the reality which you drawing room experts of Lahore and Islamabad don't want to accept

Engage with them now and give them political space to play or lose the outer regions forever and live in Punjabistan.

I have no problem with that

But if we are supposed to give political space to PTM (TTP) and BYC (BLA) then that facility should be given to political wings of all terrorist organization from Lashkar e Jhangvi to ISKP to any other

India did this far better than us in Kashmir

India is willing to go war with a nuclear powered neighbor while pakistan has no idea how to force two pariah shitholes to not provide refuge to terrorists

There is no difference

Already you cannot drive a Punjabi number plate to Quetta without thinking twice.

yup that is the result of not hitting terrorists in their safe havens

If you genuinely think taking out their leaders would kill their organisation then my question to you is how would you achieve that?

Ever heard of drones or covert operations?

Also my so called drawing room solution has never been tried.

It has always been tried. Dr Allah Nazar was released from the jail and he went to Iran to lead BLF

This nonsense that you are suggesting has been tried

Pakistan has tried one thing and one thing only, which is to go out with military force and crush all who oppose.

Lol

No genius it's your type of thinking that has been applied for 20 years.

No drawing room analyst. My idea was never implemented

in fact looking at your post I think you don't even know what exactly is my idea. You are just wasting your and my time in love of BLA

Your posts and many others seem to suggest that all Pakistan has to do is to go '100%' as if the armed forces are not already stretched to their limits.

Sending drone to hit BLA inside Afghanistan would somehow stretch Pakistani army?

Okay. Nice

You also operate in a vacuum of thinking where there will be no blowback from locals after we keep doing operation after operation and destroying it further. This is the reason that today BLA gets tip offs even inside Quetta on movements by PA convoys.

Lol operations are going to happen if their is militancy. That is the rule everywhere in the world. Yeah you in your rainbow world might not understand it but that is how states work. Only thing is Pakistani state is too confused about it.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Genius you are already fighting an endless war because Pakistan military as per your wishes isn't going after the source of the insurgency that exists outside borders of pakistan

This is what they have been doing for the last 20 years

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I don't know why we argue about the same thing everyday.

Simple fact is that small-scale tactical IBOs wont solve the problem. We need a long-term strategy with a direction.

Pakistan should emulate the Turkish/Sri Lankan strategy in Balochistan, given how popular BLA is, treat it as a hostile territory and carry out major scale operations with scorched earth tactics. Punish certain tribes, favour the loyal ones, and relocate into managable ones.

Dilute the region demographically along the coast. This is how long term consolidation works.

The fact is, more than India today, Baloch ethno-separatist fascism and Pashtun ethno-separatist fascism are bigger threats than India. They are exploited by foreigners like Afghanistan, India, etc.

Arrest ethno leaders first, arrest their associates and workers, major crackdown. Then implement major ops, relocations, etc.

 

[Abdul q]

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And it seems like everything is going according to plan… balkanization of Pakistan

 

[Cipher212]

sealing the border without kinetic ops in afghanistan just delays the problem and eventually someone will cross and we will have a mass casualty event ( because you will never have 100 percent sealed border )

both have to be done together
first close the border and clean kpk /bln
then kinetic ops in afghanistan , mirroring israels campaign in lebanon ( without the civilian casualties ofc )

only way

We don't have the money for that level of kinetic operation in a country the size of Afghanistan. Not to mention that Iran se bhi kaafi kuch aata hay.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

We don't have the money for that level of kinetic operation in a country the size of Afghanistan. Not to mention that Iran se bhi kaafi kuch aata hay.

Kinetic ops solution is actually on our own side of the border in BLN/KP.

For Afghanistan targeted strikes or select ops are neccessary not capture of entire territories which serves no strategic value and waste of resources.

Ideally you gotta realise certain populations are sources of instability within, you tame and weaken them or you let em go and stop shooting yourself in the foot

 

[El Sidd]

Interesting thread given if one visits the Fall of Dhaka thread. The casual mention of 1971 in the thread is also deeply intriguing.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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This Prof Hoodbhoy is a good social commentator but here in this video he has displayed intellectual dishonesty and paddled a very low grade and pathetic narrative which doesn't do any justice to his stature.
his social and political commentary though his writings usually make very compelling and thought provoking arguments and they are hard to dismiss when he criticises the establishment but not in this video.
he made a fool of himself by first mentioning a construction of the dam and then lamented that Pakistani state didn't spend money on the betterment of the public. the construction of infrastructure through big civil and power projects brings merchants, traders and job opportunities, he was so insincere that he tried to showcase a power project as a military castle and didn't mention , rail tracks , roads and bridges because they are attacked by BLA.

as for his lame question what if a Punjabi sees these check posts in Punjab and how he will react? well he should welcome such presence if that means that the terrorists are handled and law and order situation is brought under control.
his so called dialogue with Punjabi officer was fundamentally wrong and mischievous. if a Baloch officer is sent by state in Punjab then he is doing his job, protecting the state and its citizens. its not a tribal war where a tribesman of an opposing tribe is intruding in the rival's territory.
it was really disappointing to see a man of his calibre go that low and make such flimsy, dishonest and irrelevant commentary.
on sidenote I have yet to see his paper, a video or an article on physics. he is generous enough to share his wisdom on Pakistani state which is a hit and miss, I hope he shares his knowledge in his expertise as well and maybe tone it down to level of ordinary people just like his western colleagues are doing and making a good name of themselves.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

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This Prof Hoodbhoy is a good social commentator but here in this video he has displayed intellectual dishonesty and paddled a very low grade and pathetic narrative which doesn't do any justice to his stature.
his social and political commentary though his writings usually make very compelling and thought provoking arguments and they are hard to dismiss when he criticises the establishment but not in this video.
he made a fool of himself by first mentioning a construction of the dam and then lamented that Pakistani state didn't spend money on the betterment of the public. the construction of infrastructure through big civil and power projects brings merchants, traders and job opportunities, he was so insincere that he tried to showcase a power project as a military castle and didn't mention , rail tracks , roads and bridges because they are attacked by BLA.

as for his lame question what if a Punjabi sees these check posts in Punjab and how he will react? well he should welcome such presence if that means that the terrorists are handled and law and order situation is brought under control.
his so called dialogue with Punjabi officer was fundamentally wrong and mischievous. if a Baloch officer is sent by state in Punjab then he is doing his job, protecting the state and its citizens. its not a tribal war where a tribesman of an opposing tribe is intruding in the rival's territory.
it was really disappointing to see a man of his calibre go that low and make such flimsy, dishonest and irrelevant commentary.
on sidenote I have yet to see his paper, a video or an article on physics. he is generous enough to share his wisdom on Pakistani state which is a hit and miss, I hope he shares his knowledge in his expertise as well and maybe tone it down to level of ordinary people just like his western colleagues are doing and making a good name of themselves.

I'm not even Punjabi myself but all of these so-called commentators and alleged nationalists are just hidden Punjabophobes inside with pent up envy to justify their murder, also these people are only intellectuals by Pakistani standards, he is at best a low grade commentator anywhere else in the world

All of them think its smart to support insurgents, terrorism, and anti nationalist perspectives and scapegoat Punjabis because it is all an act

Punjabis are also largely insecure and submissive cowardly so they eat this narrative about themselves up like its dinner

 

[Starlord]

Maybe some Pakistani's should go and live in Gaza or J&K for a change, maybe they will understand the real meaning of Genocide/govt brutality etc. Yahan tu rubber gun chalti hai aur Genocide ka R@ndi rona start ho jata hai social media pe.

 

[Watandar]

Its absolutely shocking how still a large part of our population; even supposedly knowledgeable people are oblivious to the fact that Iran and Afghanistan are hostile states to Pakistan with competing interests.

I disagree. I think Afghanistan has been completely mishandled by Pakistan while Iran was neglected. What is needed on the western border is an overall policy of de-confliction, not just for the provinces but also for the neighboring countries. One giant cunning enemy on the Eastern border is enough.

 

[Watandar]

We don't have the money for that level of kinetic operation in a country the size of Afghanistan. Not to mention that Iran se bhi kaafi kuch aata hay.

There is no military Op solution to Pakistan's western border problems, regardless of whether we have the money or not. The solution lies in political reforms, strengthening police and paramilitary and investing in jobs, infra and education for the people. Trade and de-confliction should be the foreign policy on the western border.

 

[hasssanali8998]

There is no military Op solution to Pakistan's western border problems, regardless of whether we have the money or not. The solution lies in political reforms, strengthening police and paramilitary and investing in jobs, infra and education for the people. Trade and de-confliction should be the foreign policy on the western border.

yes all of these are important points but good luck trying to do this whn you are in a active warzone
good luck with job creation and infra when they constantly bomb and kill workers and infra

while Iran was neglected.

insane statement , like genuinely insane .
regime has alwaye been agressive towards us , they literally used missle against us in 2024
this isnt reza pahlavi anymore
we have fought for iran alot during past few months , just wat h and see how they repay us

 

[Watandar]

yes all of these are important points but good luck trying to do this whn you are in a active warzone
good luck with job creation and infra when they constantly bomb and kill workers and infra

It's been turned into a warzone because of military operations and international proxy wars. You need to start moving away from all that. Just look at that mega flop known as Ghazab-ul-something against FKhawaja something.

insane statement , like genuinely insane .
regime has alwaye been agressive towards us , they literally used missle against us in 2024
this isnt reza pahlavi anymore
we have fought for iran alot during past few months , just wat h and see how they repay us

A very selective and poor reading of history. You followed bad policies of neglecting and fighting neighbors while chasing rich foreigners. You cannot expect love in return.

 

[hasssanali8998]

You need to start moving away from it.

agreed but u cant just say timeout and make the fighting stop , you have to win for it to stop

You followed bad policies of neglecting and fighting neighbors while chasing rich foreigners.

if u dont know
if we allie with iran we will be sanctioned to death , not our fault they chose to fight with the entire western world while not having the weapons/armies to back that wish

A very selective and poor reading of history.

nope reza's iran was our best allie , nothing selective about it .