Bangladesh: Analyzing Hasina era Adani Power Deal

[UKBengali]

Continuation without disruption.

3 brand new coal power plants each with 1.3 GW capacity are operating at less than 100% because instead of securing long term coal import contracts with Credit payment facility to operate the local newly built plants - Hasina administration sought to outsource it to Adani.

Now even if the interim government secures a coal deal and then import them to run the local power plants at max capacity - it will be several months before a contract is signed and then coal consignments reach all three power plants and start power generation.

What is Bangladesh supposed to do in the interim? Not use Adani's power and pay capacity charge instead?

Payra is coming back online end of this month and at full capacity.

1.3 GW from it should be really useful and once Roopur comes online next year with its massive 2.4GW capacity, maybe Adani/India and BD can make a "deal" about exactly how much BD will be consuming for the rest of the 25 year contract.

Indian government seems keen to use power from Adani Godda plant and so in return for BD allowing half the power to be diverted to Indian consumers, maybe Adani will agree to halve the capacity charge. That looks like a very good win-win for both sides.

 

[kambhakt]

Clearly you missed my disclaimer to the individual I was replying to.

Open another thread if you want to discuss more because I won't discuss this issue here.

There is no need for you to discuss it. You tried to make a point. I tried to make a point. You have the freedom to stay away.

 

[kambhakt]

Continuation without disruption.

3 brand new coal power plants each with 1.3 GW capacity are operating at less than 100% because instead of securing long term coal import contracts with Credit payment facility to operate the local newly built plants - Hasina administration sought to outsource it to Adani.

Now even if the interim government secures a coal deal and then import them to run the local power plants at max capacity - it will be several months before a contract is signed and then coal consignments reach all three power plants and start power generation.

What is Bangladesh supposed to do in the interim? Not use Adani's power and pay capacity charge instead?

The 3 plants total 4GW. Your need is 17 GW. Where is the other 13GW coming from.

You don't have money for coal because you spent it on buying oil and gas. Not because you paid Adani. You have hardly paid Adani anything. You have just now started paying Adani his dues.

 

[c14-Isotope]

Yes continue with your cost comparison disingenuously while conveniently ignore the points raised about how 3 newly built local coal power plants all with 1.3 GW each were forced to operate at significantly less than 100% (34% and 60% and not operating) despite 2 of them coming online a couple of years before Adani.

Refer to my post - Post in thread 'Bangladesh: Analyzing Hasina era Adani Power Deal' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...hasina-era-adani-power-deal.15264/post-417642

Coal import hindered by forex crunch couldn't have been the primary issue, because we seem to have been operating the gasoline based plants with more expensive fuel than coal.

So why was Adani import was prioritized than operating own newly built equivalent coal plants at max capacity? Why didn't Hasina admin replace all the more expensive diesel powered plants by operating the available coal based ones at max capacity?

Corruption or incompetence? You all out here seem so determined to defend Hasina, perhaps you all have the answers.

But Don't bother replying. I know you will keep on going back in circles with your cost comparison. Spare us both the time and effort.

It is totally absurd that you are blaming Adani for your own forex crunch, I have now provided ample proof on this thread how the Adani deal is actually beneficial for Bangladesh, yet you continue to lay blame of your government's inability, incapability, ignorance and incompetence on Adani like an unhinged broken record.

"I am not running X and Y power plant, because I have to pay my dues for Z power plant"- wow, this puerile logic makes sense inside your brain, is Z supposed to make sure you have enough coal for X and Y???

Adani supplying electricity on credit from so many months and you blame of your country's own piss poor management on them?
Adani is replacing expensive power plants with cheap energy in Bangladesh and its still Adani's fault?

What has Adani to do with the fact that your demand may have fallen due to your economy stagnating?
What has Adani to do with your foreign reserves?
If you want Adani to fix your dollar issue, I suggest you kick that useless octogenarian with his band of unemployable rabble rousers out, and instead appoint Adani as your prime minister.

Also, stop deleting my replies using the phony "trolling" as an excuse.

 

[LeonBlack08]

It is totally absurd that you are blaming Adani for your own forex crunch, I have now provided ample proof on this thread how the Adani deal is actually beneficial for Bangladesh, yet you continue to lay blame of your government's inability, incapability, ignorance and incompetence on Adani like an unhinged broken record.

"I am not running X and Y power plant, because I have to pay my dues for Z power plant"- wow, this puerile logic makes sense inside your brain, is Z supposed to make sure you have enough coal for X and Y???

Adani supplying electricity on credit from so many months and you blame of your country's own piss poor management on them?
Adani is replacing expensive power plants with cheap energy in Bangladesh and its still Adani's fault?

What has Adani to do with the fact that your demand may have fallen due to your economy stagnating?
What has Adani to do with your foreign reserves?
If you want Adani to fix your dollar issue, I suggest you kick that useless octogenarian with his band of unemployable rabble rousers out, and instead appoint Adani as your prime minister.

Also, stop deleting my replies using the phony "trolling" as an excuse.

If you had bothered to read the posts, the blame is on the Hasina govt than on Adani. I have been criticizing her admin more than Adani, because Adani is just a foreign businessman out there to make money. He doesn't have the mandate to rule over Bangladesh. I have made that clear multiple times and pointed to the corruption and mismanagement of Hasina admin, which includes gross overestimation of power demands. I talked in multiple posts about get rich quick power rental scheme used by Hasina cronies to make billions on the basis of overestimated of power demands driven by corruption.

Here is one such of my post: Post in thread 'Bangladesh: Analyzing Hasina era Adani Power Deal' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...hasina-era-adani-power-deal.15264/post-416515

If you have difficulty understanding that and presumed we are blaming Adani, then it is YOUR and your failure alone to comprehend what the discussion is all about.

As for your issues with moderation decisions - raise it up with GHQ instead of nagging here. Your post was deleted as it was a response supporting a troll post.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@LeonBlack08

If you had bothered to read the posts, the blame is on the Hasina govt than on Adani.

The question arises as to why your criticism of Hasina focusses on the Adani deal- which Kola bhai has shown was actually cash neutral- rather than on why she didn't shut down the oil fired plants- which @c-14 isotopes excellent post creates a far greater burden on the system.

The only conclusion I can draw is that criticising SHW on oil plants merely highlights incompetence while focusing on the Adani deal highlights her (alleged) treason/collusion with India/Hindutvists- a far bigger "crime". Maybe you can correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

@uksyl @UKBengali @BananaRepublic

 

[Strider]

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[Michael Corleone]

Something like 11-12 Taka/Kwh would have been a more fair price, taking into account the fact that Adani built the plant for 3 billion US dollars and the pollution ends up in India and not in BD.

The winds do bring those pollution to bd... Check delhi's rise and fall of air quality coincide with Bangladesh's for example.

 

[Michael Corleone]

as Adani may have specified a fixed and too high price for coal.

They're charging 22tk for coal apparently on international market it's 14tk?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Michael Corleone

There are various grades of coal, each of which has a different calorific value and a different price. Presumably Adani's PPA allows for a higher grade of coal.

Regards

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Rather pointed out we could have gone for those options if we needed to import from India or any other country.

Therein lies a problem posters didn't address. India build those Hydopower plants in Bhutan and Nepal on the condition that they will supply us cheap power. So we took the risk of investment in a foreign country to satisfy our demand. You're simply asking for a transit of power possibly at cheaper rates, in an investment you had no hand in. Which is probably why India is reluctant for transit of power.
Although Bhutan and Nepal maybe open to selling you at higher price than they sell to India.

 

[Fallstuff]

Is there any audit option for the Bangladesh govt to ensure Adani is compliant and transparent ? Anybody has any idea ?
Even foreign Garments buyers audit factories in Bangladesh to ensure quality is met.

 

[UKBengali]

Therein lies a problem posters didn't address. India build those Hydopower plants in Bhutan and Nepal on the condition that they will supply us cheap power. So we took the risk of investment in a foreign country to satisfy our demand. You're simply asking for a transit of power possibly at cheaper rates, in an investment you had no hand in. Which is probably why India is reluctant for transit of power.
Although Bhutan and Nepal maybe open to selling you at higher price than they sell to India.

It is cool.

BD will of course pay higher if they do not contribute to the construction costs of these plants.

Interestingly Nepal/Bhutan were looking at BD investments to build hydroelectric plants in their countries. That could be something that could be picked up again, maybe with India/BD jointly funding and India constructing.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@UKBengali

UKB dada,

Of course it is an option. BD could fund wholly or in part projects in Nepal or Bhutan and the power can be wheeled into BD through Indian territory- IND will get a small transmission fee as well. IND wont object at all. As it is we are working towards a BBIN grid.

Regards

 

[UKBengali]

@UKBengali

UKB dada,

Of course it is an option. BD could fund wholly or in part projects in Nepal or Bhutan and the power can be wheeled into BD through Indian territory- IND will get a small transmission fee as well. IND wont object at all. As it is we are working towards a BBIN grid.

Regards

BD could also potentially export power to India and Nepal at times when demand in BD is low and some of its coal fired power stations/Roopur nuclear may have excess capacity.

This BBIN grid will give the cheapest and most reliable electricity to the whole region.