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[Jaeger]

Of course a genius like you will refuse to engage with me on my actual assertions and instead will deflect by demanding a discourse on unrelated data from me, on threat of disengagement. This reaction was entirely expected from you.

Recall your words. You claimed it was not logical (specifically referencing the "logic" of 2 nation theory) for minorities to stay in bordering states adjacent to the majoritarian state. I rejected your claim of it being ILLOGICAL.

It is entirely reasonable, logical, and plausible for minorities to live in border states, and moreover, to do so in substantial numbers.

Here is your statement (once again) against which i argued, and which you now are attempting to back away from:

"It defies common sense that millions of Muslims will choose to remain in India in states bordering Bangladesh at partition and complete negates logic behind formation of your country"

Now scuttle off.

And only a coward like you will refuse to answer very simple question, because answering honestly will unravel you entire line of argument.

 

[Master Chief]

And only a coward like you will refuse to answer very simple question, because answering honestly will unravel you entire line of argument.

Are you stupid or illiterate?

You implied that LOGICALLY, NO MINORITIES should exist in bordering states. I told you this was patently false. I said, contrarily, MORE of a nation's minorities will likely exist in border states.

Now, as per your "logic", you prove to me that no minorities exist in border states on either sides of any border. To make it easier for you, ignore the "zero" request, simply prove to me that there are fewer Sikhs in Punjab Pakistan than in any state away from the Indian border. Also, prove to me that there are fewer Hindus in Sindh than in any state away from the Indian border.

Do it and shut me up if you think you can.

Btw, you already "unravelled" your own "line of argument" by pointing out the high percentages of Muslims in Assam both in 1947 and today.

 

[LeonBlack08]

I have quoted MEA statement on repatriation & you are bringing arrested fishermen ?

You have been pushing people for money for decades , we are just starting.

If pushing illegal people back to their country hurts bangladeshis ,so be it.

we don't care , India is not a dharamshala.

You posted MEA statement and I showed you actual sample proof of repatriation. My evidence is stronger than yours. If you can't get that, I won't bother spoon feeding you.

Bangladesh isn't a dharamshala either. You can't dump anyone who doesn't subscribe to your Hindutva ideology.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Do you want to push out your Hindus, because you believe they are not Bangladeshis or do you want to push them out because they are Hindus.

If its the former we will accept them, if it is the later this government will still accept them.( which i don't agree,that they should).

We don't want to push any Indian Muslim into Bangladesh. The are Indian as any Indian, but we should not accept a single illegal Bangladeshi in our midst.

That is why i asked you what documentation do you need from an Illegal migrant that will prove his nationality?

Bengali Muslims who can not prove the Indian citizenship of their parents or grand parents will be treated as Bangladeshi.

Please do not twist my words. Not once I said "I want" to deport Bangladeshi Hindus. I brought up the comparison to show you the absurdity of your claim that Bengali speaking Muslims do not exist in West Bengal post 1947.

Bangladeshi Hindus are as much Bangladeshi as Bangladeshi Muslims. My view is aligned with yours.

Re documentation - how does illegal immigrant repatriation work globally? You need to look at what documents an Indian national have that a foreigner wouldn't have access to? Birth certificate, passport, national id etc.

If a suspected illegal migrant is requested to produce such document and unable to do so, then you can make a case that they are Bangladeshi and approach appropriate diplomatic channels for repatriation. Bangladesh has accepted thousands for repatriation in the past through proper channel.

It's not really a rocket science.

 

[LeonBlack08]

This is rhetoric by Jamaatis and others. They also hate other Muslims and Bangladeshis including:

- Calling the current nationalist BNP government, the 'B team' of the Awami League or Awami League version 2.


- Calling any Muslim who doesn't agree with their evil anti-India, anti-Hindu agenda as a RAW agent, Hindutva bootlicker etc. Like ISIS and other extremists in the middle east, any Muslim who doesn't support them is either a 'Kafir' (infidel) or not a real Muslim like them (Jamaatis/ISIS).

In reality Bangladeshi Islamic scholars say it is haram (forbidden) for people to vote for Jamaat and these Jamaatis are a small, powerless minority in Bangladesh who are hated. I can provide lots of example.

However whereas we Bangladeshis have got Jamaatis under control e.g.:
They have to sing our anthem, amar shona Bangla (which they hate)
They have to stand under our flag (which they hate).

Jamaatis on this forum and elsewhere are now in meltdown and crying because our government appointed a new chairman for a traditionally Jamaati-run bank called 'Islami bank'.

It is socially and politically unacceptable for a politician in Bangladesh to promote rhetoric openly targeting Hindus and other non-Muslims.

In India you have elected Hindutva extremists and Muslim-haters to power and now they seek to implement a Nazi-style program of ethnic cleansing in West Bengal, which they will not be permitted to do and which could even reshape the map of south Asia, which we Bengalis have done a couple of times before.

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Stick to the topic. This isn't a thread for discussing your opinion of Bangladeshi political groups.

 

[Jaeger]

Please do not twist my words. Not once I said "I want" to deport Bangladeshi Hindus. I brought up the comparison to show you the absurdity of your claim that Bengali speaking Muslims do not exist post 1947.

Bangladeshi Hindus are as much Bangladeshi as Bangladeshi Muslims. My view is aligned with yours.

Re documentation - how does illegal immigrant repatriation work globally? You need to look at what documents an Indian national have that a foreigner wouldn't have access to? Birth certificate, passport, national id etc.

If a suspected illegal migrant is requested to produce such document and unable to do so, then you can make a case that they are Bangladeshi and approach appropriate diplomatic channels for repatriation. Bangladesh has accepted thousands for repatriation in the past through proper channel.

It's not really a rocket science.

If you are familiar with the subcontinent then you would know, with little bit of money changing hand on how easy it is for any one to procure normal identity documents like a Aadhar card or ration card or even birth certificate.

However what an illegal migrant is not able to procure is a one of these documents for their parents or grandparents, who are no longer alive or still back in their country of birth.

That is what National register citizens (which is currently only in Assam)does, ask suspected people for these legacy documents.

It should implemented in all the border states and those who are not able to prove that their parents or grandparents were citizens of India before 1971, should be sent back to their respective countries preferably diplomatically.

However if these countries are adamant at not accepting its own citizens, then as a last resort these people should sent back the same way they came into country.

 

[LeonBlack08]

If you are familiar with the subcontinent then you would know, with little bit of money changing hand on how easy it is for any one to procure normal identity documents like a Aadhar card or ration card or even birth certificate.

However what an illegal migrant is not able to procure is a one of these documents for their parents or grandparents, who are no longer alive or still back in their country of birth.

That is what National register citizens (which is currently only in Assam)does, ask suspected people for these legacy documents.

It should implemented in all the border states and those who are not able to prove that their parents or grandparents were citizens of India before 1971, should be sent back to their respective countries preferably diplomatically.

However if these countries are adamant at not accepting its own citizens, then as a last resort these people should sent back the same way they came into country.

I know and understand the reality of South Asia. But that's your internal failure that identification documents are accessible to foreigners. If illegal immigrants are such a big problem for India, this corruption should have been rooted out. Stricter control should have been implemented to ensure documents are issued to Indian citizens.

I am not saying there are no illegal Bangladeshis in India. Of course there are lots. Certain Indian regions are significantly more prosperous than Bangladesh. People will migrate from less prosperous regions to more prosperous region. Part of of human nature. Happens everywhere globally.

Instead of addressing your internal controls, Indian government is just arbitrarily trying to push people out. When you have an openly Islamophobic federal and state government in place, how can anyone make sure the people you are pushing out aren't legitimate Indian Muslim citizens?

Why should Bangladesh accept such push in when we cannot trust that you are not trying to dump your poor minorities into our country because of the current administration's Islamophobic agenda? Do you get my point?

 

[lightoftruth]

You posted MEA statement and I showed you actual sample proof of repatriation. My evidence is stronger than yours. If you can't get that, I won't bother spoon feeding you.

Bangladesh isn't a dharamshala either. You can't dump anyone who doesn't subscribe to your Hindutva ideology.

MEA is stating a fact of your deliberate denial of verification which remains undenied by your govt.

It’s better you keep your spoon feeding with yourself , a lot of mouths are coming your way.

We are dumping your citizens back to where they belong.

 

[LeonBlack08]

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[LeonBlack08]

MEA is stating a fact of your deliberate denial of verification which remains undenied by your govt.

It’s better you keep your spoon feeding with yourself , a lot of mouths are coming your way.

We are dumping your citizens back to where they belong.

And my proof of repatriation debunks your MEAs lies. End of discussion.

Keep trying. All the best.

 

[baldfish]

And my proof of repatriation debunks your MEAs lies. End of discussion.

Keep trying. All the best.

He is just angry as he can't make us redeem his MEA gift cards.

 

[uksyl]

Stick to the topic. This isn't a thread for discussing your opinion of Bangladeshi political groups.

@Fatman17 Dear Fatman bhai, I am tagging you as you are a senior moderator here.

This "moderator" Leonblack is trying to prevent any criticism of Jamaat e Islami. Jamaat e Islami and their hatred of India is totally relevant to this thread as naturally they are opposed to India and Bangladesh having good relations and will use their influence to pressurise our government to not have good relations with India.

Also this troll ("moderator") consistently makes thinly veiled references to me as some sort of pro-Indian when I have routinely exposed the Modi regime as a fascist regime and anti Muslim.

He also routinely targets me and my ethnicity and regional identity constantly bringing up my "Sylheti" background. This sort of racism is unacceptable. Imagine a Pakistani moderator constantly calling an anti-PTI/PML member "that Mohajir" or "that Pathan" and bringing up his reference.

Please protect members from this troll and his abuse of his moderator powers.

 

[LeonBlack08]

@Fatman17 Dear Fatman bhai, I am tagging you as you are a senior moderator here.

This "moderator" Leonblack is trying to prevent any criticism of Jamaat e Islami. Jamaat e Islami and their hatred of India is totally relevant to this thread as naturally they are opposed to India and Bngladesh having good relations and will use their influence to pressurise our government to not have good relations with India.

Also this troll ("moderator") consistently makes thinly veiled references to me as some sort of pro-Indian when I have routinely exposed the Modi regime as a fascist regime and anti Muslim.

He also routinely targets me and my ethnicity and regional identity constantly bringing up my "Sylheti" background. This sort of racism is unacceptable. Imagine a Pakistani moderator constantly calling an anti-PTI/PML member "that Mohajir" or "that Pathan" and bringing up his reference.

Please protect members from this troll and his abuse of his moderator powers.

So you can rant off topic nonsense to derail the thread and you expect to get a free pass? Why should you receive special treatment? Please feel free to elaborate.

Did I remove your criticism of Jamaat in other threads? No. There are plenty of your elaborate rants on Jamaat on multiple different threads where such discussion is appropriate.

As for claims of discrimination - I won't even respond to that nonsense. You call your fellow Sylheti @AbuShalehRumi as Jamati/unislamic/traitor and what not. What kind of discrimination is that?

Stick to the topic. Anymore nonsense and you are getting points.

 

[uksyl]

So you can rant off topic nonsense to derail the thread and you expect to get a free pass? Why should you receive special treatment? Please feel free to elaborate.

Did I remove your criticism of Jamaat in other threads? No. There are plenty of your elaborate rants on Jamaat on multiple different threads where such discussion is appropriate.

As for claims of discrimination - I won't even respond to that nonsense. You call your fellow Sylheti @AbuShalehRumi as Jamati/unislamic/traitor and what not. What kind of discrimination is that?

Stick to the topic. Anymore nonsense and you are getting points.

There are people in Bangladesh who do not want antagonism with India. You label such people as "RAW agents" and "Hindutva bootlickers".

You routinely lie about me when I am very anti-Modi and have started whole threads highlighting the anti-Muslim nature of the BJP. But this is not enough for you as for you and other Jamaatis only a full on hot war or a full on cold war whereby India perceives Bangladesh as an enemy is what you want. You will try to silence and bully any Bangladeshi poster who is not an India-hater like you by calling them a 'RAW agent' or a 'Hindutva bootlicker', so that all Bangladeshi posters here only say anti-India rhetoric giving Indians and others here that Bangladeshis all unanimously hate India with a vengeance. We don't.

You also constantly bring up my Sylheti background when I don't talk about the background of other Bangladeshis or start calling you 'Naokhali'.

As for Abu Saleh Rumi, he is a rude, abusive and aggressive poster who constantly insults people and has called for the murder of women and children.

Jamaatis like you raped and murdered women and children in 1971 and you were defeated.

You are the 'ENEMY OF BANGLADESH', make no mistake.

You were defeated in 1971 and you will be defeated!

You are a liar, a traitor, an evil person and an enemy of Bangladesh.

 

[LeonBlack08]

There are people in Bangladesh who do not want antagonism with India. You label such people as "RAW agents" and "Hindutva bootlickers".

You routinely lie about me when I am very anti-Modi and have started whole threads highlighting the anti-Muslim nature of the BJP. But this is not enough for you as for you and other Jamaatis only a full on hot war or a full on cold war whereby India perceives Bangladesh as an enemy is what you want. You will try to silence and bully any Bangladeshi poster who is not an India-hater like you by calling them a 'RAW agent' or a 'Hindutva bootlicker', so that all Bangladeshi posters here only say anti-India rhetoric giving Indians and others here that Bangladeshis all unanimously hate India with a vengeance. We don't.

You also constantly bring up my Sylheti background when I don't talk about the background of other Bangladeshis or start calling you 'Naokhali'.

As for Abu Saleh Rumi, he is a rude, abusive and aggressive poster who constantly insults people and has called for the murder of women and children.

Jamaatis like you raped and murdered women and children in 1971 and you were defeated.

You are the 'ENEMY OF BANGLADESH', make no mistake.

You were defeated in 1971 and you will be defeated!

You are a liar, a traitor, an evil person and an enemy of Bangladesh.

There is a difference between avoiding conflict with India, vs becoming submissive to India. By actively rooting for Indian agenda and Indian agents (i.e. BAL) who for the last decade and a half conspired to turn Bangladesh into an Indian vassal state through systemic weakening of military, and civil establishments.

If you do the latter, don't be surprised when people call you out for it.

As for labeling people - if you find it okay to label anyone disagreeing with you as Jamati, rapist and traitor, then be prepared to be labelled as Hindutva bootlicker.

If we start analyzing your posting activity pattern, things won't look too bright for you. I can assure you of that.

You can claim to be a nationalist all you want, but you are far from one. People claim to be a lot of things they are not in the internet. The truth comes out over time.

Now get back to the topic.

Your attempt to derail this thread with off topic nonsense to take the attention away from the issue of Push in of Indian citizens into Bangladesh, hasn't gone unnoticed.