Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[Nilgiri]

You should be careful.

Visualise the fang-toothed Nilgiri prowling through these threads.

I couldn't harm one hair on his head, even if he deserves it somehow for some mischief.

@Sugarcane has been one of the very few in the forum that has so precisely, persistently and deeply spoiled me with tickling my funny bone..... with his flair for avant-garde maverick attitude to all manner of things (maybe his country's politics most of all).....while staying very open minded at same time.

There is probably a reason he sticks with Salvador Dali as his DP and goes with flag of Congo now for maybe some deeply amusing/absurd reason known to him.

He is like a memorable rag piece with "just the right amount" of syncopation one could say, no matter if he currently absconding from the show reel right now.... I am partial to the pineapple, magnetic and others by Joplin.....but the "sugar cane" one is very good too, a brighter, sweeter mirror to the maple leaf (and I guess its syrup heh).

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[Nilgiri]

Now THAT'S what I call downbringing.
Consider yourself demolished, @Afif, and crawl away to die like a good desi in 'Desh.

No one should look down on their homeland countryfolk as lesser. Otherwise you are not from the homeland, period.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hard truths has to be told.

South Asians need to look in the mirror. Otherwise there will be no salvation.

The way they cheer mob justice is truly animalistic!

Not denying it.....

 

[Alter_Ego]

No one should look down on their homeland countryfolk as lesser. Otherwise you are not from the homeland, period.

It is in its place to look down on uncivilized behaviour. Its the only right reaction.

 

[Oscar]

The point is, seperation would have happened with or without India's meddling. As it does no address the main issues concerning the relation between West Pakistan or East Pakistan. It is no secret that majority of our people wanted independence. So, blaming it on RAW won't cut it.

I remind you again, it was the fucking West Pakistani army that launched operation search light on Dhaka university students and teachers.

They started the war, India and Bangladesh joined force for common interest and finished it.

Probably not related but RAW did partake all the way back in the early 60s.

However, that taken nothing from the face that since 58 Pakistan had a dictator who considered Bengalis lesser humans. Brown sahib mentality was percolated around the population with a combination of disconnect from reality and power players hell bent on keeping resources in the west. A Simplistic wash over the overall issues but it was simply a difficult body to sustain even if you had a uniform ethnic group on both halves divided by a major enemy - leave the idea of colonial mentality running it.

At the end, regardless of Mujib meeting RAW or not I have it from the closest thing I can get from a horse’s mouth and verified through other sources that it was within Pakistani power circles and establishment taking a decision to “get rid of EP” prior to even launching searchlight - post 1970 cyclone.

Ill leave it that - what is important now is Bengalis look for their interest regardless of India helping in the past or not or otherwise - its a critical situation which is being exploited by many a vested interest.

 

[UKBengali]

It is in its place to look down on uncivilized behaviour. Its the only right reaction.

Let’s hope that some of these lot are not representative of the common BD’shi as otherwise things are going south soon for the post-Hasina BD.

I think we need to understand that are lot are venting personal grudges against AL/irrationally afraid of mutually beneficially cooperation with India, and so we need to have some optimism that maybe BD population is more civilised now than 20 years ago.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Probably not related but RAW did partake all the way back in the early 60s.

What an opening for a 'What-about' response!

That famous Indian spy, Brigadier Z. A. Khan, divulged all the details in his book, The Way It Was.

 

[BananaRepublic]

No one should look down on their homeland countryfolk as lesser. Otherwise you are not from the homeland, period.

Those of us brought up in the west are ethnically south Asians but culturally not.

Our base instincts have been shaped by western education, civil society and norms.

You are a product of your environment whether you like it or not!

@UKBengali

 

[Joe Shearer]

Those of us brought up in the west are ethnically south Asians but culturally not.

Our base instincts have been shaped by western education, civil society and norms.

You are a product of your environment whether you like it or not!

@UKBengali

True, that.
Without getting into squabble mode, should we feel inferior?

 

[Afif]

Are you trying to act tough on a anonymous forum?

You talk like you own Bangladesh society. How pathetic. If you cant handle different opinions on a forum made specificially for that, without making personal attacks, then why are you here!??

I critisize uncivilized behaviour of sections of BDeshi all the time when i am on visit. All people i come across in BD does the same.

Why are you so butthurt?

No buddy, I am not butthurt. One of you generalized south Asians as uncivilized.

Did any of you participate in this momentous struggle or risk your lives on the streets against evil? I was there....we 'uncivilized' folks were on the streets. Having no skin in the game while continuesly running your mouth from overseas and looking down on the others doesn't feel highly civilized either. It kind of....you know the word...pathetic.

But I totally agree everyone should be able to say whatever they want. Even if it is dumb. I can handle it. It is just that in reality, not everyone has enough relevance to have an actual opinion. Some are desperate loosers trying to appear smart while boasting about living in the West. As if it gives them some sort of moral superiority or upper hand in an argument.

 

[Alter_Ego]

No buddy, I am not butthurt. One of you generalized south Asians as uncivilized.

Did any of you participate in this momentous struggle or risk your lives on the streets against evil? I was there....we 'uncivilized' folks were on the streets. Having no skin in the game while continuesly running your mouth from overseas and looking down on the others doesn't feel highly civilized either. It kind of....you know the word...pathetic.

But I totally agree everyone should be able to say whatever they want. Even if it is dumb. I can handle it. It is just that in reality, not everyone has enough relevance to have an actual opinion. Some are desperate loosers trying to appear smart while boasting about living in the West. As if it gives them some sort of moral superiority or upper hand in an argument.

Its not wise to call 2 billion people uncivilized, we can agree on that.
Its degrading and asking for trouble.
In no way are the western societies perfect either. Two world wars are a testament to that.

As a rule of thumb, criticize the action but respect the human being behind the action.

Maybe we are just talking past eachother.
There are those of us who have no affliation with any political party in BD. Who are desperate to see our birthplace shine again. But are fustrated and disheartened from seing cycle of thuggery and violence continuing.

Lets not be fools, Hasina and AL would never give up power peacefully. In that regard the uprising of the students was honorable. Students again gave blood for liberation of Bangladesh from despotism. But in this cruicial moment, its important to keep heads cool and not let uncivillized behaviour be justified. If we do, then the blood the students gave will be in vain.

I heard a member here defend the burning of public property and extrajudicial killings by "let people vent". Which ironically was the exact words of a certain murderer who now reigns as PM in a neighboring country.

 

[Afif]

Its not wise to call 2 billion people uncivilized, we can agree on that.
Its degrading and asking for trouble.
In no way are the western societies perfect either. Two world wars are a testament to that.

As a rule of thumb, criticize the action but respect the human being behind the action.

Maybe we are just talking past eachother.
There are those of us who have no affliation with any political party in BD. Who are desperate to see our birthplace shine again. But are fustrated and disheartened from seing cycle of thuggery and violence continuing.

Lets not be fools, Hasina and AL would never give up power peacefully. In that regard the uprising of the students was honorable. Students again gave blood for liberation of Bangladesh from despotism. But in this cruicial moment, its important to keep heads cool and not let uncivillized behaviour be justified. If we do, then the blood the students gave will be in vain.

I heard a member here defend the burning of public property and extrajudicial killings by "let people vent". Which ironically was the exact words of a certain murderer who now reigns as PM in a neighboring country.

We can all agree on rule of law and denounce mob justice. I have clarified that multiple times before.

I can understand the enthusiasm about native land from expats. But it won't change overnight. Realistically not even in 10 years. Hopefully in 20/30 years. New generation, i.e. gen z is educated, far more open minded and understand the 21th century way of life.

Right now we ought to focus on much more fundamental things, like core institutional reforms and organizing and strengthening democratic processes at macro level. Then we can work our way down to the details and social layers in time.

 

[UKBengali]

Those of us brought up in the west are ethnically south Asians but culturally not.

Our base instincts have been shaped by western education, civil society and norms.

You are a product of your environment whether you like it or not!

@UKBengali

Somewhat true but there is also a lack of critical thinking in most people and using emotion to make up for that in some respects.

Unless you or someone close to you suffered personally due to people in AL, there there is no logical reason to even give any excuses as to attacks on themselves or their property.

Anyone that wants things to get better needs to know that denouncing mob “justice” is critical in creating a new normal.

I would like those two army guys in that video thrashing those two vandals to be made an example of, as signalling the “post-Hasina” BD has no tolerance for thuggery from even its law and order enforcers.

 

[BananaRepublic]

History of v-force in ( attched Google translation)

V Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(no mention of the massacre in the English wiki page)

V支队 (缅甸战役) - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.wikipedia.org

When Japan began to withdraw its troops after 1944, the Bangladeshi V-Team changed its targets of attack. In Arakan, the V-Team participated in the conflict between Muslims and Arakan Buddhists . Because the Arakan Buddhists had been supported by the Japanese, during the three years of the war between the Allied and Japanese forces on the Karakoram Peninsula , the V-Team used munitions provided by the British military to carry out a massacre of the Arakan people. According to Burmese and British records, the V-Team did not fight the Japanese, but destroyed Buddhist temples, pagodas and houses, burned hundreds of villages, and massacred more than 100,000 Buddhist civilians . In the border town of Maungdaw alone, the V-Team killed more than 30,000 unarmed Buddhists. The Arakan people called it ethnic cleansing .

How do you make up this shit!!!

 

[sutton9999]

How do you make up this shit!!!

I didn't. I find it in that wiki page.

V支队 (缅甸战役) - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.wikipedia.org