BJP started the process of breaking India : Arundhati Roy

[Joe Shearer]

True , that the state treats all religions equally, remains neutral, and doesn't favour any one religion. That's how it should have been.

It is only self-certifying Hindu victims who think this didn't happen

 

[indushek]

The problem is some feel they are privileged, I am not saying all but some percent feel they are privileged and want more than others when told all should have equal rights, then they feel threatened. World had enough of this BS. Now people like them will get kicking in their back every where they start crying victim.

Say normal, work for your success and prosper and make the country proud. It's as simple as that.

See its all agenda, certain section has been in ruling. They had their say and abused and humiliated, anyone who disagreed with them. A normal Muslim cannot be held responsible, as he will be like any other person in India. Concerned with his family, their well being and such. All these groups who talk of Muslims, never did any benefit to the ordinary Muslim on ground. They just used him as a pawn

There is a clear section who now feels dis-empowered, as their narrative is challenged. A common Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Sikh etc etc are caught in between these two groups. This section which held power, through Politics or hold over Academic institutions or narrative are now finding challenged and out of power.

There is no right or wrong for the group in ruling erstwhile, even if it means destruction of India. If it means division so be it, they just want power and hold over public. They will abuse humiliate and use any means, to stay on top. But then time is more powerful than anyone, it has brought the greatest empires to knees. These scumbag rascals shall see the day, where their narrative no longer holds water.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I was fresh out of school writing my entrance tests I remember her saying something like this. I so wanted to leave India then now I've been working for the past 10 years in and outside India and she's still running this like a broken record. The union has never been stronger and it's only getting stronger.

 

[r3alist]

I was fresh out of school writing my entrance tests I remember her saying something like this. I so wanted to leave India then now I've been working for the past 10 years in and outside India and she's still running this like a broken record. The union has never been stronger and it's only getting stronger.

Truly never been stronger?

I am not saying it's anywhere near collapse but seems to me minorities have never been more aware that they are minorities in India, not Indian

Not just the muslins

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Truly never been stronger?

I am not saying it's anywhere near collapse but seems to me minorities have never been more aware that they are minorities in India, not Indian

Not just the muslins

Yeah. Where are the Naxalites, Maoists, they once held presence in a third of the territory of India, most of the militia groups in the North East have given up arms, the last curfew in Kashmir ended 3 years ago.
There is no large scale violence against minorities. States have some one off low intensity violence which are quickly dispelled.
Also Muslims*

 

[Jayetsena]

Those are our own states, for the vast majority of the last 75 years Pakistan has been more successful then India you can look at multiple indicators to see that
Whatever happens we make our own choices in our own state

What India is doing is trapping hundreds of millions, and then enforcing Hindu stuff on the state leaving those hundreds and millions utterly unrepresented

Their is a total of 4 Indian Muslim members in your parliament I believe, that's 1 per 60 million people
Totally utterly intolerable for that much people not to be free and have no representation

Successful??? Really in what... Where are you sourcing your weed?

 

[hussain0216]

Successful??? Really in what... Where are you sourcing your weed?

In every way and multiple indexes, even know India is lower on the hunger index

India is and was a mistake you can't trap hundreds of millions of people without representation in a hindutva extremist state,, partition of India is inevitable

The first part of this partition is ALREADY HAPPENING, where internally people are on the move to their own areas

 

[r3alist]

Yeah. Where are the Naxalites, Maoists, they once held presence in a third of the territory of India, most of the militia groups in the North East have given up arms, the last curfew in Kashmir ended 3 years ago.
There is no large scale violence against minorities. States have some one off low intensity violence which are quickly dispelled.
Also Muslims*

Well, that's at the extreme end

There are levels below

Hindutva is useful in one way, it attacks all minorities ultimately and eventually

 

[r3alist]

Well, that's at the extreme end

There are levels below

Hindutva is useful in one way, it attacks all minorities ultimately and eventually

Just to add, it's such a strange conceit to insist that you were once a Hindu and that's effectively your social contract being enforced on you, accept that you were once a Hindu, that effectively you were a kind of genetic traitor and to allow minimal dignity accept you were once Hindu right now in the present

This is seen as a reasonable request

I cannot fathom how any person who respects their sovereignty should accept another defining who they once were ancestrally and who they are now

@Joe Shearer
@Nilgiri

On this topic I would love to hear your perspective

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Well, that's at the extreme end

There are levels below

Hindutva is useful in one way, it attacks all minorities ultimately and eventually

My point stands. The union is getting stronger not weaker.
By levels below you mean the violences that happened before but were too small to come up in a news. Beef lynchings did happened before 2014 but then there were terror attacks, riots, months of communal violence.

Soon this will subside too, and we'll pick up the lowest level of violence. "Name calling" and thought policing. Given it time.

 

[r3alist]

My point stands. The union is getting stronger not weaker.
By levels below you mean the violences that happened before but were too small to come up in a news. Beef lynchings did happened before 2014 but then there were terror attacks, riots, months of communal violence.

Soon this will subside too, and we'll pick up the lowest level of violence. "Name calling" and thought policing. Given it time.

Ok, well sorry if it's a cliche, time will tell

I don't predict particular doom or disaster for India, it's quite difficult for a country to implode, look at what Pakistan went through the last 3 decades and they are not even well resourced

But I think hindutva will be taken a notch or two down by minorities who have had enough and external help

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Ok, well sorry if it's a cliche, time will tell

I don't predict particular doom or disaster for India, it's quite difficult for a country to implode, look at what Pakistan went through the last 3 decades and they are not even well resourced

But I think hindutva will be taken a notch or two down by minorities who have had enough and external help

People elect who they are going to give them the most. Today it's BJP, tomorrow it maybe Congress then another party. I look at the numbers on all things. It's not some BJP magic that reduced violence, they continued the policies of previous governments who continued the last government. State governments is where things matters the most. India is too federal.

Coming to Pakistan. Your issues are structural, or Feudal to be exact. You're still stuck in a society of Zamindars. And when it comes to resources you have the resources you just didn't use them. You have different priorities. To militarily match India to stop the coming invasion of India.

 

[r3alist]

People elect who they are going to give them the most. Today it's BJP, tomorrow it maybe Congress then another party. I look at the numbers on all things. It's not some BJP magic that reduced violence, they continued the policies of previous governments who continued the last government. State governments is where things matters the most. India is too federal.

Coming to Pakistan. Your issues are structural, or Feudal to be exact. You're still stuck in a society of Zamindars. And when it comes to resources you have the resources you just didn't use them. You have different priorities. To militarily match India to stop the coming invasion of India.

You can't please everyone always

So I suppose the question is who can you piss off the most in India, modi clear lost support last election

My point with Pakistan was about the external issues they have faced

The war on terror and the strain it caused, which undoubtedly it did, the arresting of economic development and hostile foreigners causing mayhem

Here I don't focus on the pa, who have their own agenda, I mean the nation as an overall thing went through much

Then there are natural disasters as well


So basically in a line, nations are stronger than people perceive

You really need internal war to change anything