Indeed, you said it doc.I use Hindus loosely. Very loosely. Likely not 90% of current India. Maybe not even 95%.
I basically mean Vedic Hindus.
Indeed, you said it doc.I use Hindus loosely. Very loosely. Likely not 90% of current India. Maybe not even 95%.
I basically mean Vedic Hindus.
The assumption that the former Afghan Republic was hostile to Pakistan is false. Hamid Karzai was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Abdullah Abdullah was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Even Ashraf Ghani was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban but Pakistan's support for Taliban frustrated him and he made some bad calls, he was in a no-win situation in any case. Afghan Republic had captured and put thousands of militants in jail, it was also helping hunt TTP inside Afghanistan. Somebody suggested Intra-Afghan Dialogue as the way forward for both Pakistan and Afghanistan that would allow Taliban to be integrated in the US-backed political system of Afghanistan but Trump made a deal with Taliban and decided to close the chapter of American intervention in Afghanistan.The introduction of the Taliban took out the Indian and Northern alliance threat, plus everything the Americans could do and did do.
That's the removal of well resourced hostile actors causing havoc with impunity.
This has been replaced with a different type of challenge but it's still a challenge and you could argue a potentially existential one, still a headache, the solution is not military
You appear to be a realist and not the r3alist.well instead of reading all that point is Pakistan played a dpouble game with USA and Afghanistan hoping to make quick and easy money from USA at cost of Afghanistani nation and its people while keeping its obsession to teach india a lesson but Afghans never had any confussion against what they wanted or saw pakistan or so called DURAND LINE
but question is why did Pakistani establishment and so called intelligensia in the first place helped Taliban against Likes or Hamid Karzai or Abdullah Abdullah or USA led NATO forces that were keeping Afghanistan away from TalibunniesThe assumption that the former Afghan Republic was hostile to Pakistan is false. Hamid Karzai was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Abdullah Abdullah was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Even Ashraf Ghani was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban but Pakistan's support for Taliban frustrated him and he made some bad calls, he was in a no-win situation in any case. Afghan Republic had captured and put thousands of militants in jail, it was also helping hunt TTP inside Afghanistan. Somebody suggested Intra-Afghan Dialogue as the way forward for both Pakistan and Afghanistan that would allow Taliban to be integrated in the US-backed political system of Afghanistan but Trump made a deal with Taliban and decided to close the chapter of American intervention in Afghanistan.
India simply found it easy to exploit Afghanistan - Pakistan - US tensions and have damaged Pak - US relations. Meanwhile Pakistan remains in debt trap and is denied access to advanced Western technology. CPEC has failed to address Pakistan's economic crisis and other challenges. US and India now have a strategic partnership that will allow the two countries to become stronger and find new avenues to do what they want to do. China will use other countries to fight its battles as well, I wonder which these will be.
The sombre reality is this: India sprung a trap for Pakistan and our strategic depth experts fell in it.
Honestly, I don't know that and never read about it.The mother of the Kauravas was Persian.
The assumption that the former Afghan Republic was hostile to Pakistan is false. Hamid Karzai was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Abdullah Abdullah was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Even Ashraf Ghani was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban but Pakistan's support for Taliban frustrated him and he made some bad calls, he was in a no-win situation in any case. Afghan Republic had captured and put thousands of militants in jail, it was also helping hunt TTP inside Afghanistan. Somebody suggested Intra-Afghan Dialogue as the way forward for both Pakistan and Afghanistan that would allow Taliban to be integrated in the US-backed political system of Afghanistan but Trump made a deal with Taliban and decided to close the chapter of American intervention in Afghanistan.
India simply found it easy to exploit Afghanistan - Pakistan - US tensions and have damaged Pak - US relations. Meanwhile Pakistan remains in debt trap and will is denied access to advanced Western technology. CPEC has failed to address Pakistan's economic crisis and other challenges. US and India now have a strategic partnership that will allow the two countries to become stronger and find new avenues to do what they want to do.
India sprung a trap for Pakistan and our strategic depth experts fell in it.
The assumption that the former Afghan Republic was hostile to Pakistan is false. Hamid Karzai was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Abdullah Abdullah was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban. Even Ashraf Ghani was willing to work with Pakistan and Taliban but Pakistan's support for Taliban frustrated him and he made some bad calls, he was in a no-win situation in any case. Afghan Republic had captured and put thousands of militants in jail, it was also helping hunt TTP inside Afghanistan. Somebody suggested Intra-Afghan Dialogue as the way forward for both Pakistan and Afghanistan that would allow Taliban to be integrated in the US-backed political system of Afghanistan but Trump made a deal with Taliban and decided to close the chapter of American intervention in Afghanistan.
India simply found it easy to exploit Afghanistan - Pakistan - US tensions and have damaged Pak - US relations. Meanwhile Pakistan remains in debt trap and is denied access to advanced Western technology and Afghanistan - Pakistan tensions continue as usual. CPEC has failed to address Pakistan's economic crisis and other challenges. US and India now have a strategic partnership that will allow the two countries to become stronger and find new avenues to do what they want to do. China will use other countries to fight its battles as well, I wonder which these will be.
The sombre reality is this: India sprung a trap for Pakistan and our strategic depth experts fell in it. I spent years in this forum to caution fellow Pakistani and drive this point home but some ridiculed me.
Indeed, you said it doc.
Reasons can be many but I have my own theory on this.but question is why did Pakistani establishment and so called intelligensia in the first place helped Taliban against Likes or Hamid Karzai or Abdullah Abdullah or USA led NATO forces that were keeping Afghanistan away from Talibunnies
If you assume (long shot extrapolation) that the current population of Iran is 90 million, of which about 60 million are Persians, the other 30 million not ancestrally native to that land and mainly permeating inwards post Islam,
Then if you assume that the split was 50:50, then that means, assuming similar fertility rates, there should be around an equal 60 odd million Vedic Hindu bloodlines among 1 billion Hindus in India today.
That is about 6%.
Two readily identifiable confounders:
The Iranic side was likely more in numbers when the split happened. Or they would have been the ones forced to migrate eastward. Towards food and water and fertile land.
And 2, the Indic side never warred beyond its borders for thousands of years like the Iranic side did. Hence losing lot fewer men. More importantly, the Indic side that migrated become the Brahmins. Who never/rarely fought.
Either way, there are around 60.5 million Brahmins in India today.
And they make up about 5% of the Hindu population.
Cheers, Doc
We care about both, bloodlines and ownership. We claim both. The reason is , Hindu or Hinduism never rejects anyone from its faith on the base of bloodlines or ownership or based on anything. ..anything! We claims our civilization. You need to go more deep to Understand broadly. Islam in Afganistan is young... We claims the history before Islam there... Monuments there... N many people also has same bloodlines like North Indians. We finds relevant.I don't get this train of thought, if I indulge this train of thought I don't get why you care if it was a Hindu Atlantis there, nothing to do with you
The majority of Indians have a totally different ethnicity and bloodlines to what was there, they would be a kind of central Asian, proto Persian derivative people I guess, not you
The difference in distance from where you are to Afghanistan is enormous, your people would not have interacted with these people.
You all look different.
You are obsessed with bloodlines in one scenario, in another you just claim ownership or whatever to people who are historically alien to you.
my observation about the espresso/ mocha/ masala chai was not about that moment, but what went behind the creation of that moment. A display of strategic victory based on false assumptions. A symbolic gesture and not about the quality of the masala cha
well i have totally diffrent take on itReasons can be many but I have my own theory on this.
It is due to poor institutional culture in Paksiatn. Major strategic decisions are taken by few powerful individuals and not institutions, where dissenting voices and counter opinions can be analysed and dissected to take policy decisions.
Someone created the term strategic depth which was lapped up by many and drive all the moves till now. And look where we all are.
@r3alist, my observation about the espresso/ mocha/ masala chai was not about that moment, but what went behind the creation of that moment. A display of strategic victory based on false assumptions. A symbolic gesture and not about the quality of the masala chai.
Well doc, very insightful, but I feel a few will disagree.... Not my quarrel but interesting.
How do you identify a real or let's say most pure Persian?I hear really not many left.
Are the mullahs reasonably Persian?
We care about both, bloodlines and ownership. We claim both. The reason is , Hindu or Hinduism never rejects anyone from its faith on the base of bloodlines or ownership or based on anything. ..anything! We claims our civilization. You need to go more deep to Understand broadly. Islam in Afganistan is young... We claims the history before Islam there... Monuments there... N many people also has same bloodlines like North Indians. We finds relevant.
But but.. We feel the land and People in Pakistan more close to Indian than Afganistan. We culturally more close to Pakistan than Afganistan... But there more religious and political differences between Indians and Pakistanis than Afganistanis.