bunyan-al-marsous: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG

[Fatman17]

How PAF destroyed India’s 2 S400 air defence systems

Source: The News International
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[Great Mal]

There's been so far no verified evidence of Pakistan hitting S-400.

This is similar to Indian Pajit level evidence so far of them downing our jets.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Debris of Indian S-400’s 40N6E Missile Found in Pakistan: Mystery Surrounds Target Hit in Recent Clash - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG In a significant development amid escalating tensions between India and Pakistan, debris believed to be from a 40N6E long-range surface-to-air missile (SAM), part of the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) S-400 Sudarshan Chakra air defense system, has been...

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OK IDRW aknowledges the S400 debris as real. Pak side claimed it was shot down by HQ-9P. So most likely this is the first proven HQ-9P downing a S400 missile. I heard that's 1.5 mil$ a pop.

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HQ9P intercepting this has no proof. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems more like a narrative than reality. We have not seen any evidence of interception of this missile by SAM. SAMs explode at a given altitude. That may likely be the explanation.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

There's been so far no verified evidence of Pakistan hitting S-400.

This is similar to Indian Pajit level evidence so far of them downing our jets.

Actually, there is very scant evidence of Pakistani forces hitting any target of military value in India, besides obviously the BVR/EW battle that brought down multiple jets in the very first engagement.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

An indian asking for photos and proof while spreading fake information is a national effort in india

Propaganda. During war it is an essential tool.

Once war is over, analysis of damage should filter out propaganda.

 

[ZhejiangRedneck]

I remember seeing a JF-17 at Farnborough Airshow back in 2010 (just before I went to uni).

I was never a huge fan of the platform, given its mediocre on-paper specifications.

But I think as an overall package, it's above the sum of all of its parts. And punches well above its price category.

I wasn't even aware of this missile before. It looks far more scary than a Kh-31.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

How PAF destroyed India’s 2 S400 air defence systems

Source: The News International
https://search.app/NpY8E

Shared via the Google App

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I mean, all these narratives are like that only. Narratives. Its like someone saying this is how I will kick my enemy but no such fight happened or no evidence of that fight happening at all.

Remember, India saying we shot down 2 F-16s back in 2019? It did not go anywhere because there is absolutely zero evidence of it.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I mean, all these narratives are like that only. Narratives. Its like someone saying this is how I will kick my enemy but no such fight happened or no evidence of that fight happening at all.

Remember, India saying we shot down 2 F-16s back in 2019? It did not go anywhere because there is absolutely zero evidence of it.

character comes before evidence, one cannot believe a liar. Wars are won on character, and not lie spinning media outlets. Its not a coincidence lie factories thrive in a certain society (not saying we dont lie!!!!!!), after all, in that society, girls and low caste people are openly damned! Prostitutes are media mega stars, half naked dances are seen with families, i can go on and on. But, will not change even shade on your opinion (and i dont care either). Problem is one society morals cannot judge other, sorry, let alone calling other terrorist!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Propaganda. During war it is an essential tool.

Once war is over, analysis of damage should filter out propaganda.

dont abt war getting over, one thing is for certain, without USA now, you cannot stand on your feet and have now USA left, even Russia has opted to hold out behind. With Russia-Finninsh war looming, Pak would test the strength of your PMs narrative!

 

[Han Patriot]

HQ9P intercepting this has no proof. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems more like a narrative than reality. We have not seen any evidence of interception of this missile by SAM. SAMs explode at a given altitude. That may likely be the explanation.

Well, I told you, there is a S400 missile in Pak now, destroyed. If it failed to hit it's target and exploded, you have a problem, if we hit it with HQ9P, you also have a problem. That missile is 1.5 mil$ a pop. So think about it.

 

[Han Patriot]

Actually, there is very scant evidence of Pakistani forces hitting any target of military value in India, besides obviously the BVR/EW battle that brought down multiple jets in the very first engagement.

Well, it is easier to hit a static base than to kill 5 birds okay. Do you think it is logical that both India and Pakistan launch 100s of missiles and drones, and NONE hit India, but we have news of people getting killed from 'debris'? LOL

I saw the sat pics from both sides, all minimal damage except for that Hangar incident which Pak openly admit to, 5 ppl dead and minor damage to C130. You spend probably 100s of millions to achieve quite minimal impact. 100 HAROPs? How many were Jammed and brought down? You have both sides going crazy shouting we destroy that base, this base. In essense, both sides did minimal damage, planes were probably already in bunkers.

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[Vox Non Dei]

Well, it is easier to hit a static base than to kill 5 birds okay. Do you think it is logical that both India and Pakistan launch 100s of missiles and drones, and NONE hit India, but we have news of people getting killed from 'debris'? LOL

Believe it or not but in conflict unintented targets suffer a lot more damage and casualties because they are simply not that well defended as military targets are.

And yes, debris cause much wider damage because they are numerous. This has been seen since world war 2.

Well, I told you, there is a S400 missile in Pak now, destroyed. If it failed to hit it's target and exploded, you have a problem, if we hit it with HQ9P, you also have a problem. That missile is 1.5 mil$ a pop. So think about it.

If it failed to hit target and exploded, it is not really a problem. Thats what SAM missiles are supposed to do. And 1.5 mil$ is chump change compared to military budget of India.

Heck if this entire enagement costed 10-15 billion dollars (which surely it did not), it is still extremely small amount in terms of budget of India.

Point remains, we have no evidence of HQ-9 hitting that missile, or rather anything. We do have a lot of evidence of things going past HQ-9 and HQ-16 line of defence.

Well, it is easier to hit a static base than to kill 5 birds okay. Do you think it is logical that both India and Pakistan launch 100s of missiles and drones, and NONE hit India, but we have news of people getting killed from 'debris'? LOL

More pertinent point is what is more important. Aircrafts can not operate without ground support. If India is able to hit ALL the ground bases of PAF, that is a major vulnerability for PAF because it puts PAF out of commission.

I saw the sat pics from both sides, all minimal damage except for that Hangar incident which Pak openly admit to, 5 ppl dead and minor damage to C130. You spend probably 100s of millions to achieve quite minimal impact. 100 HAROPs? How many were Jammed and brought down? You have both sides going crazy shouting we destroy that base, this base. In essense, both sides did minimal damage, planes were probably already in bunkers.

There is a massive crater in a runway, two hangers were blown up, the PAF personnel killed was a sqadron leader operating Pakistan's AWACS. I will not say this is a minor damage.

To be honest, this is the opinion of Tom Cooper, one of the Europe's leading military analyst and historian...

Illusions and Realities of ‘Cross-Border Incidents’, Part 2 (UPDATED)

(…continued from Part 1…)

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When one side is bombing nuclear weapons storage facilities of the other, and the other has no ability to retaliate left, then that's a clear cut victory in my books.

In this case: a clear-cut victory for India.

No surprise Islamabad 'sounded' for a 'cease-fire'.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Please could the thread title be corrected.

Bunyanun Marsoor: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG

The Holy word is "Marsoos"

@Waz @Oscar

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@ety

Any satellite images released yet ?

None. And there won't be any.

Regards

 

[LeGenD]

Yes the HQ9P is actually quite potent, it supposedly beat the Russians and Americans in the race for a Turkish contract but was forced by NATO to stop that purchase, a few years later the Turks went for S400.

Turkey requested ToT from the US but the US refused to provide it so Turkey tested S-400 and HQ-9B. The latter might be better than S-400 but Turkey chose S-400 because Russia agreed to provide certain level of ToT with it.

So a SAM shot down another SAM?

It is possible.

Case study 1

Arrow Missile Intercepts Syrian SAM Fired At Israeli Jets Following Strikes

The strange engagement was the first operational use of an Arrow anti-ballistic missile system.

www.twz.com

Case study 2

PAC-3 Missile Intercepts Target in Flight Test

A Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) PAC-3 Missile successfully intercepted an incoming target on Thursday, Nov. 19, as part of a U.S. Army-led missile defense flight test at White Sands Missile Range,...

news.lockheedmartin.com

Patriot systems are being improved and can intercept numerous threat types including small drones and even a Patriot interceptor.

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Russian 40NE is a large missile that is designed to intercept aircraft from a distance, larger and less maneuverable than other S-400 interceptors. Impressive kill nevertheless. HQ-9P interceptors are good.