bunyan-al-marsous: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG

The thing that is solely convincing me that Pakistan targeted an S-400 radar or battery system is that Indians have a habit of denying own loss to save face.

They are doing it as we speak on the issue of them losing 3 confirmed visually verified jets i.e Mig-29, Mirage 2000, Rafale.

So for them to hide an S-400 radar kill is in the same way not difficult.
 
How you going to filter out the debris of aircraft? You can go round the houses as often as you want - your "command team" clearly stated they were not concerned whether they struck civilian targets or not - yet the Pak army went to great lengths to avoid civilians. Thats the difference. Indians and their press? No one believes. The cats out of the bag. India is the 2025 Baghdad bob.
How is it relevant to what I posted?

Did I claim Indian forces were trying to save civilian lives in their attack?
Did I even say anything about difference etc?
Did I say anything about media?
Did I say that Indian jets were not shot down?

All I said was that Propaganda is essential piece of warfare. After war is over or here when there is pause in fighting, we set aside propaganda and see the real picture of damage. Thats all!
 
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What's it mean 'bunyanun marsoor' ?

Urdu or Arabic ? Something from the Islamic holy scripture ?
 
Indians went from boasting about their offensive capability with Rafaels for years to now trying to prove their defenses are still intact.

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The thing that is solely convincing me that Pakistan targeted an S-400 radar or battery system is that Indians have a habit of denying own loss to save face.

They are doing it as we speak on the issue of them losing 3 confirmed visually verified jets i.e Mig-29, Mirage 2000, Rafale.

So for them to hide an S-400 radar kill is in the same way not difficult.
I told you, not to ask for proof (as you will be just wasting energy). Proof is not evidence. Truth is evidence, liar cant speak truth. There is a reason why, science is based on truth and not evidence!
 
Sir, you should spill some beans now. these peek a boo type of posts increase the appetite even more.

Better start a dedicated thread. first drop from you will push others with info to come forward.
I'll wait for my turn. I also want this appetite to remain.
 
Yes of course i believe you, if it makes you feel better, that ALL the Pak retaliation fail and 100% Indian hit their target destroying ALL the bases and now Pak airbases are dead so no more threat. And yes so happen one debris hit someone in an airbase. It is just coincidence because you knoe yindia has the bestest AD yinde world, nothing passes through. So why not try and send in more jets. Lolol. Gosh, you guys are experts in coping even after losing 5 planes, you still can find a victory. No wonder you guys will never improve. Look at the Paks, they know their problem they admit it, they improve, they don't shit excuse and live in denial.
What kind of diatribe is this? I fail to see any point here at all. The point remains straightforward. Satellite images are at hand now. They show nothing of military significance hit in India, while in Pakistan several hits have occurred with confirmed casualties and damage.

You called crashing in a wheatfield as hit the target and explode as suckses? Lolol. SAMs are supposed to hit planes not crash into a cornfield. 1.5mil$ is a change where 90% are poorer than subsaharan africans. Good for ya bro. Keep up the good work and crash more 1mil$ misjals. There were numerous crashed Indian missiles and drones, they had multiple HaRops each costing 10mil$.
You know, writing wrong spellings does not make your narrative look better. It makes it look childish and stupid to say the least.

And a SAM which has not hit its mark and explodes and falls in a corn field is not much of a point of discussion. Even if it failed to find its mark, there is not much of an issue.

Not every missile, bullet or shell find their mark. Infact a vast majority dont.

As far as economic aspect go, remember, Pakistan spends way more as a percentage of their economy on defense than what India does. Anyhow, "economy" is not the concern of this thread, so I will not respond to anything further on that front. Its a stupid topic to talk about in this thread.

Good keep fighting the Paks. Your market just decimated 80bil$, one day they will nuke Bangalore and see if India still can recover while China sips tea and look at the idiot picking a fight with a mad bull Pak.
Indian stock market rallied much more than it crashed. Thank you very much!

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As far as nukes go, unless you are implying Pakistanis are idiots and mad (which I am sure they are not), the nuclear conflict risk is no different than one between China and USA. USA, btw, also does not have a no first use policy.

We also have no evidence Pak shot the plane, it just dropped from the sky. Pak intercepted any misjals and drones, some went through, i guess those misjals and drones just mysteriously fell down. Heck the ISpR even showed the radar display of a Brahmos getting'disabled'.
We have evidence of Pak shooting planes. We have debris of PL-15 missiles. We have plane crash sites too. Three planes can be surely confirmed from the debris and crash sites that have been found. In due time we will find the actual number of losses.

BTW, I do not take ISPR briefing as fact for simple reason, they have lied in those briefings. But thats a given, since in a conflict, fighting parties lie. If you take ISPR radar screen as evidence of anything, then India had shown same radar screen back in 2019. I do not take any of those as evidence of anything.
 
I told you, not to ask for proof (as you will be just wasting energy). Proof is not evidence. Truth is evidence, liar cant speak truth. There is a reason why, science is based on truth and not evidence!


A lot of scientific truths are “proven” - the entire structure of the atom was revealed in various “truths” until the model is still being refined at the quantum level.

Now what evidence individuals give ranges from detailed experiments, methodology for that experiment, repeatability of results and so on.

Apply that to a conflict - then it comes down to evidence from electronic spectrum - from Imagery both photographic and from FLIR and other types. Synthetic Aperture images if Battlefield Damage Assessments were done and so on.

Pakistanis has claimed the S-400 - but so far has not provided anything to support it other than piecemeal unrelated images.

India for that matter has not “disproven” the claim either.
 
India for that matter has not “disproven” the claim either.
There is burden of proof and concept of "Devil's Proof" in legal scholarship. Basically who gets to provide the evidence. Usually it is one who makes the claim.

That being said, there is circumstantial evidence (though marred with propaganda) of Indian S-400s in Adampur being unaffected.

First is satellite images of that base. And second is Modi's own visit (which surely had some Propaganda element to it).

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S-400 is in the background.
 
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A lot of scientific truths are “proven” - the entire structure of the atom was revealed in various “truths” until the model is still being refined at the quantum level.

Now what evidence individuals give ranges from detailed experiments, methodology for that experiment, repeatability of results and so on.

Apply that to a conflict - then it comes down to evidence from electronic spectrum - from Imagery both photographic and from FLIR and other types. Synthetic Aperture images if Battlefield Damage Assessments were done and so on.

Pakistanis has claimed the S-400 - but so far has not provided anything to support it other than piecemeal unrelated images.

India for that matter has not “disproven” the claim either.


Mudiji gave a speech from very same base today.


Perhaps they moved another one for photoop?

Pics are all over Indian web.
 
Mudiji gave a speech from very same base today.


Perhaps they moved another one for photoop?

Pics are all over Indian web.
We don’t know what we dont know. Although Modi’s speech highlights Indian weapons for a good reason. Hearing from this side too that Indian made SHORADS have a good account of themselves against Pakistani drones.

Both sides used different mechanisms to tackle unmanned systems - Pakistan combined a lot of soft kill with hard kill on whatever was termed dangerous vs India was all hard kill.
 

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