bunyan-al-marsous: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG

Propaganda. During war it is an essential tool.

Once war is over, analysis of damage should filter out propaganda.
How you going to filter out the debris of aircraft? You can go round the houses as often as you want - your "command team" clearly stated they were not concerned whether they struck civilian targets or not - yet the Pak army went to great lengths to avoid civilians. Thats the difference. Indians and their press? No one believes. The cats out of the bag. India is the 2025 Baghdad bob.
 
Believe it or not but in conflict unintented targets suffer a lot more damage and casualties because they are simply not that well defended as military targets are.

And yes, debris cause much wider damage because they are numerous. This has been seen since world war 2.


If it failed to hit target and exploded, it is not really a problem. Thats what SAM missiles are supposed to do. And 1.5 mil$ is chump change compared to military budget of India.

Heck if this entire enagement costed 10-15 billion dollars (which surely it did not), it is still extremely small amount in terms of budget of India.

Point remains, we have no evidence of HQ-9 hitting that missile, or rather anything. We do have a lot of evidence of things going past HQ-9 and HQ-16 line of defence.


More pertinent point is what is more important. Aircrafts can not operate without ground support. If India is able to hit ALL the ground bases of PAF, that is a major vulnerability for PAF because it puts PAF out of commission.


There is a massive crater in a runway, two hangers were blown up, the PAF personnel killed was a sqadron leader operating Pakistan's AWACS. I will not say this is a minor damage.

To be honest, this is the opinion of Tom Cooper, one of the Europe's leading military analyst and historian...

we never intended to hit any of your high value targets (HVT). First barrage, was only to show we can penetrate just enough, even with, rockets that dont go even that far!

are you too thick to understand?!
 
Believe it or not but in conflict unintented targets suffer a lot more damage and casualties because they are simply not that well defended as military targets are.

And yes, debris cause much wider damage because they are numerous. This has been seen since world war 2.

Yes of course i believe you, if it makes you feel better, that ALL the Pak retaliation fail and 100% Indian hit their target destroying ALL the bases and now Pak airbases are dead so no more threat. And yes so happen one debris hit someone in an airbase. It is just coincidence because you knoe yindia has the bestest AD yinde world, nothing passes through. So why not try and send in more jets. Lolol. Gosh, you guys are experts in coping even after losing 5 planes, you still can find a victory. No wonder you guys will never improve. Look at the Paks, they know their problem they admit it, they improve, they don't shit excuse and live in denial.

If it failed to hit target and exploded, it is not really a problem. Thats what SAM missiles are supposed to do. And 1.5 mil$ is chump change compared to military budget of India.
You called crashing in a wheatfield as hit the target and explode as suckses? Lolol. SAMs are supposed to hit planes not crash into a cornfield. 1.5mil$ is a change where 90% are poorer than subsaharan africans. Good for ya bro. Keep up the good work and crash more 1mil$ misjals. There were numerous crashed Indian missiles and drones, they had multiple HaRops each costing 10mil$.


Heck if this entire enagement costed 10-15 billion dollars (which surely it did not), it is still extremely small amount in terms of budget of India.
Good keep fighting the Paks. Your market just decimated 80bil$, one day they will nuke Bangalore and see if India still can recover while China sips tea and look at the idiot picking a fight with a mad bull Pak.

Point remains, we have no evidence of HQ-9 hitting that missile, or rather anything. We do have a lot of evidence of things going past HQ-9 and HQ-16 line of defence.
We also have no evidence Pak shot the plane, it just dropped from the sky. Pak intercepted any misjals and drones, some went through, i guess those misjals and drones just mysteriously fell down. Heck the ISpR even showed the radar display of a Brahmos getting'disabled'.

More pertinent point is what is more important. Aircrafts can not operate without ground support. If India is able to hit ALL the ground bases of PAF, that is a major vulnerability for PAF because it puts PAF out of commission.
Yes you can try it now and see if the bases still operate, don't keep that 300km buffer. Have you seen the latest flight radar?


There is a massive crater in a runway, two hangers were blown up, the PAF personnel killed was a sqadron leader operating Pakistan's AWACS. I will not say this is a minor damage.

To be honest, this is the opinion of Tom Cooper, one of the Europe's leading military analyst and historian...

Runway craters are actually the easiest to fix. Pak already admitted to 5 crew killed and one minor damaged plane. Other than that I don't see much damage in anynof the so called destroyed Pak bases.

Winning so much tht Modi had to call Turkey and US for a cease fire? Trump even said he threatened India and Pak to stop else no trade. Modi was furious US revealed how India was subservient to Trump. Lolol. This is supapowah, land of milk and honey, where people boast brag lie and live in denial. A fantasy bollywood land where everybody is happy and powefful.
 
He was heavily covered by potent BARCAP.
Sir, you should spill some beans now. these peek a boo type of posts increase the appetite even more.

Better start a dedicated thread. first drop from you will push others with info to come forward.
 
Any time we tell our story there are two audiences: the domestic one and the international one.

As a Pakistani, I don't even need this; I am willing to believe our official statements. However, when looking at something in the international context, we need to ask the obvious question 'would we believe this if India claimed it?'

@Samurai has written that our satellite photos are very poor quality compared to what India is providing to support their claims in this war. I haven't formed an opinion because I haven't looked at either side's photos but it wouldn't surprise me if it's true.
What international audience you're looking for did US show air strikes results in any recent conflicts?did Israel show their results of air strikes on iran̈?

It's CLASSIFIED MATTER Mr
 
What international audience you're looking for did US show air strikes results in any recent conflicts?did Israel show their results of air strikes on iran̈?

Israel showed satellite photos.

It's CLASSIFIED MATTER Mr

So you are saying you would accept Indian claims if they provided this kind of evidence? OK.

If you think international audiences will take this as sufficient evidence, then sure, no worries.
 
Israel showed satellite photos.



So you are saying you would accept Indian claims if they provided this kind of evidence? OK.

If you think international audiences will take this as sufficient evidence, then sure, no worries.
Indians also claims lots of things that's change the fact that we destroyed their military installations or you will deny this also

We don't care international audience that we gave them sufficient evidence and most of international audience has satellites to verify Pakistan claims
 
There is a video clip. Firefighter, 6-7 military engineer lay dead on a grass field, a pile of destroyed equipment, could be radar.
Anyone see it too, cann't find it now, not sure legit.
 
Israel showed satellite photos.


So you are saying you would accept Indian claims if they provided this kind of evidence? OK.

If you think international audiences will take this as sufficient evidence, then sure, no worries.

You have to look at the context. If we were constantly attacking India and then right after Indias attack we agreed to a ceasefire it would be obvious to me that the attack had some legitimacy

Same thing happened here.

The other thing is US/Israel usually fight a much inferior enemy. They have plenty of time for when they blow up a mud house in the middle of nowhere. Like 80% of their operation can be focused on getting the correct images and so on.

There could be some intelligence not worth sharing with how we conducted the attack. Think about it, if we attacked we penetrated the S-400 which is more sensitive and cutting edge tech than the air defense we have (S-300 replica) hence why would we share how we did it?

Lastly, even if we shared images you could still deny it. For instance we shared the audio recordings of their Rafale crashing: I have seen on other forums people questioning if its true or not (despite accepting the planes have been lost). So why risk sharing all that intelligence for nothing?

You have to infer from events and results what happened. If India keeps questioning, that's good. Let's hope they keep underestimating us like they have and keep failing.
 
why do you think? please explain ...

Pakistan is cheering all 4 days, from 7th till 10th .. all of it

Well, why won't you cheer? Thing is, 7th was merely reaction. 10th was times 10 reply. I still don't know what happened to it? You can claim anything. Just like I don't believe any F-16 or JF-17 going down, I don't believe "claims".
 

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