bunyan-al-marsous: JF-17A delivering CM-400AKG

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You can believe what you want to. Evidence does not suggest that.

evidence does suggest that but you're in dilutional, in SEAD ARM target only radars with minimal warhead and those radar debris can be clean within few hours after impact

 

[Pradotlc]

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[Vkdindian1]

BTW, the more you look into this "scoop" of Rambabu Singh being a S-400 operator, the clearer it becomes that such was not the case.

S-400 is operated by Airforce in India and NOT by Army which he belonged to.
Three deployments of S-400 are in Siliguri corridor, Punjab (Adampur) and in Rajasthan.

Udhampur does not have a S-400 deployment, AFAIK. He was killed in J&K not Punjab.

Even debrief from ISPR showed Adampur and not Udhampur for S-400.


No. Its much simpler from the looks of it. Incompetence and politics.

Incompetence in informing family properly.
Politics in Bihar in making best use of a death and ensuing mess.

If India wanted to hide, there would not have been any intimation or news right now. He would have been found missing and dead after 3 months or so.

The most reliable claim of a successful strike against S400 has been claimed to be the death of a BSF soldier. Nothing more. Doubling down over this news shows that there is nothing to show other than using such news to make these claims.

The success of that strike could have been easily proven with satellite pictures with adequate resolution. A weapon of CM400 class carries a warhead between 150-200 Kgs and would cause adequate damage to be easily picked up by Maxar and many other satellites.

This thread is about JF-17 releasing a weapon. What about its success? Hoping to hear a little more than chest thumping as an evidence about its success.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

The most reliable claim of a successful strike against S400 has been claimed to be the death of a BSF soldier. Nothing more. Doubling down over this news shows that there is nothing to show other than using such news to make these claims.

The success of that strike could have been easily proven with satellite pictures with adequate resolution. A weapon of CM400 class carries a warhead between 150-200 Kgs and would cause adequate damage to be easily picked up by Maxar and many other satellites.

This thread is about JF-17 releasing a weapon. What about its success? Hoping to hear a little more than chest thumping as an evidence about its success.

You can show evidence or lack there of. You can not force people to believe in it.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You can show evidence or lack there of. You can not force people to believe in it.

don't live in your utopia Mr, you also claim that you did a significant damage to our base (Nur Khan base) but satellite images showed, it suffer minimal damage, so keep living in your utopia and fairytales

 

[Pradotlc]

The most reliable claim of a successful strike against S400 has been claimed to be the death of a BSF soldier. Nothing more. Doubling down over this news shows that there is nothing to show other than using such news to make these claims.

The success of that strike could have been easily proven with satellite pictures with adequate resolution. A weapon of CM400 class carries a warhead between 150-200 Kgs and would cause adequate damage to be easily picked up by Maxar and many other satellites.

This thread is about JF-17 releasing a weapon. What about its success? Hoping to hear a little more than chest thumping as an evidence about its success.

You accepted the cease fire bcos your was unable to protect your bases due to hypersonic missile attacks …

You can spin it any way you like but no body thinks you won

We beat you fair and square and there is nothing you do about it

 

[Pradotlc]

Poor ***** … they see this and believe it

 

[Vkdindian1]

You accepted the cease fire bcos your was unable to protect your bases due to hypersonic missile attacks …

You can spin it any way you like but no body thinks you won

We beat you fair and square and there is nothing you do about it

Oh Yes you beat India fair and square like in a cricket match.

Time to prove the one about destruction of S400.

Not by quoting hearsay and whatboutry but facts.

Since this thread is about destruction of S400, let’s stick to that proof on this thread.

Dont pollute this thread by bringing everything else into it and making a grand statements.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

To be very honest, there's limited evidence surrounding the validity of this claim, but unlike India, Pakistan does have more credibility and one thing is clear is that the S-400 was definitely attempted to be destroyed using CM-400s

Given the nature of the strike and how the damage could be covered from becoming conclusive evidence, we will never know if it was destroyed. Indians would never admit it and Pakistanis could be wrong about successfully striking it.

 

[Oscar]

This is a rocket artillery launched from air we are talking about, meant to take out an aircraft carrier. Even the kinetic energy itself will cause quite a bit of damage to landing point. It typically carries a 150 or 200 KG warhead and I see no reason for PAF to carry an inert warhead.

Why only rely on kinectic energy and reduce probability of destruction?
You want to destroy a vital piece of equipment, why go soft on it?

For instance, Brahmos, which carries about 200-300 KG of warhead and flies at mach 2-3, we have seen its handywork on PAF bases. It is pretty clear where it hit. No way to hide it.

Now this thing travels at 5 Mach and has atleast 150 KG of high explosive. It will leave a big mark as well, something which will be absolutely impossible to hide.

Sorry, this is Balakot all over again but from the point of view of Pakistan. All the satellite evidence points to no hit on target and we should go by evidence.

You don’t have to destroy the equipment by blowing it to smithereens.

Please see the size of the warhead in AGM-88 and the effects it does. So long as the Antenna is knocked out - its out of commission.

Your Brahmos example is absolutely pointless here and you’re trying to quickly close your case which is not closed.

 

[Vkdindian1]

To be very honest, there's limited evidence surrounding the validity of this claim, but unlike India, Pakistan does have more credibility and one thing is clear is that the S-400 was definitely attempted to be destroyed using CM-400s

Given the nature of the strike and how the damage could be covered from becoming conclusive evidence, we will never know if it was destroyed. Indians would never admit it and Pakistanis could be wrong about successfully striking it.

Fairly rational assessment.

Both sides have played smart in information warfare. No side can be blamed exclusively for twisting and turning truth to own advantage. Thats what is supposed to be done.

Both sides launched many attacks and few of them are likely to have failed. Attack on S400 must have been planned to the last T to gain a huge narrative advantage if the attack was successful.
If there was even slightest of truth to success of attack with even half decent images, the same would have been used by Pakistan to substantiate the success. That didn’t happen indicating it’s failure.

There is nothing wrong in failure of an attack and it does seem to be the case in THIS (THIS) specific case.
I am not talking about other aspects of this skirmish hence the emphasis on failure to neutralise S400.

 

[Oscar]

The most reliable claim of a successful strike against S400 has been claimed to be the death of a BSF soldier. Nothing more. Doubling down over this news shows that there is nothing to show other than using such news to make these claims.

The success of that strike could have been easily proven with satellite pictures with adequate resolution. A weapon of CM400 class carries a warhead between 150-200 Kgs and would cause adequate damage to be easily picked up by Maxar and many other satellites.

This thread is about JF-17 releasing a weapon. What about its success? Hoping to hear a little more than chest thumping as an evidence about its success.

But if maxar and other sats are not allowed over Indian airspace (which these companies follow because they want Indian business) then the only option is whenever a Chinese sat goes over .

Other than that Pakistan has no timely BDA which means both wreckage and potential damage blast(especially if radar was on unpaved area) can be minimized within a few days.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

But if maxar and other sats are not allowed over Indian airspace (which these companies follow because they want Indian business) then the only option is whenever a Chinese sat goes over .

Other than that Pakistan has no timely BDA which means both wreckage and potential damage blast(especially if radar was on unpaved area) can be minimized within a few days.

Also unlike striking fixed structures on the ground, hitting a mobile vehicle can be covered up almost instantly. I think using the satellite example as proof is unfair due to the nature of the system it is.

In the end the only conclusion you can come to is that we don't know.

 

[Vkdindian1]

But if maxar and other sats are not allowed over Indian airspace (which these companies follow because they want Indian business) then the only option is whenever a Chinese sat goes over .

Other than that Pakistan has no timely BDA which means both wreckage and potential damage blast(especially if radar was on unpaved area) can be minimized within a few days.

There is no restriction on Maxar satellites overflying India. Only restriction is not to sell sub-meter resolution images of restricted areas.
In this case 1 Meter resolution images could have brought out the damage and they are easily available.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Please see the size of the warhead in AGM-88 and the effects it does. So long as the Antenna is knocked out - its out of commission.

AGM-88 is half the weight of CM400-AKG, flies at half the speed of CM400-AKG and carried one third the size of warhead.

AGM-88 is fundamentally a ARM while CM400-AKG is fundamentally an anti ship missile meant to sink or damage an aircraft carrier.

Its role, warhead size and kinetic energy is more in line with Brahmos and not really AGM-88. So comparison is apt.

The ordinance allegedly used is much more powerful than a ARM like AGM-88.