Can Pakistan Win Bangladesh’s Trust Without Apologizing for the Genocide of 1971?

I read these comments with great interest. Should Pakistan apologize or not apologize? Does it matter in 2026? Bangladesh and Pakistan had good working relations in the past without any apology.

It was only when Hasina used 1971 as a political weapon against her opponents in the form of war crime trials. It was murder by the judiciary. Hasina used 1971 to break off relations with Pakistan, all to please India. But that's a different issue.

In the end, it's history that will settle the score. Facts are facts. Pakistan behaved poorly in East Pakistan and paid the price.
Yes, We know West Pakistan messed up. By not accepting Sheikh Mujibur Rehman's mandate. That we can apologize for that. But for rape and genocide we need evidence for that, in order to apolgize for that too. If both those allegations are true, then we should apologize for that as well.

Had East Pakistan remained with West Pakistan, I would not have minded a Bengali Prime Minister.
 
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I think both nations would benefit if both nations can admit their own faults, offer apology and move on. Bangladesh should apologize for Agartala Conspiracy, then Mukti Bahini seeking help from the enemy and then slaughtering West Pakistanis and Biharis, And in response, Pakistan should apologize for any excess that was committed during military operation to restore order in the Eastern territory and stopping the bloodshed.

If both parties agree to this, only then we can have a proper apology ceremony, otherwise, asking one party to apologize is meaningless.
Yes both Pakistan and Bangladesh should apologize to each other. But I blame ourselves more for the 1971 loss.
 
I do not know if rape happened. But if it did, with credible evidence, then we should apologize for that.

Bring the proof for rape of Bangladeshi women done by Pakistani military. Otherwise you are lying or someone else pretending to be Bangladeshi.


But hey, most of us were born after 1971. Why should the future generations apologize for the mistakes and injustices of the previous generations?
I never said the Pakistani military committed rape. I could not find proof of it, but mass rape did happen. There is nothing wrong with apologizing to our Muslim brothers and sisters. Atrocities were committed while the entire West Pakistani political map remained silent. A wrong is a wrong, no matter what the colors are. Take a higher moral ground. It will pay dividends in the long term. Some of the so-called rape victims were paid persons and later admitted as such. It is pretty murky. Can't trust one piece of evidence over another. But just imagine a population density in then East Pakistan. These things are bound to happen and could be blamed on the Pakistani government. Very easy. Nevertheless, close this chapter once and for all and move on as a nation. Just think about it. A close strategic partner, Bangladesh, is better than anything else in South Asia.
 
Totally agreed. A willingness to acknowledge past wrongdoings is the first step toward building a lasting relationship based on mutual respect and mutual benefit.

The founding father of Bangladesh, the former elected leader of Pakistan, and one of the most influential Bengalis in history, Mujibur Rahman, believed in this principle. That is why, after Pakistan officially recognized Bangladesh as an independent nation, he welcomed Bhutto to independent Bangladesh for diplomatic talks and to begin the process of normalizing relations between the two countries.
Both the original wings fought for independence together along with all muslims of South Asia. Lets burry the past, forgive and forget, move on as trusted strategic partners.
 
I never said the Pakistani military committed rape. I could not find proof of it, but mass rape did happen. There is nothing wrong with apologizing to our Muslim brothers and sisters. Atrocities were committed while the entire West Pakistani political map remained silent. A wrong is a wrong, no matter what the colors are. Take a higher moral ground. It will pay dividends in the long term. Some of the so-called rape victims were paid persons and later admitted as such. It is pretty murky. Can't trust one piece of evidence over another. But just imagine a population density in then East Pakistan. These things are bound to happen and could be blamed on the Pakistani government. Very easy. Nevertheless, close this chapter once and for all and move on as a nation. Just think about it. A close strategic partner, Bangladesh, is better than anything else in South Asia.
Seriously shut up. I will not apologize for rape, unless you have evidence for it.

No evidence, no apology.

Yes I will apologize for Sheikh Mujibur Rehman for not being given his mandate of Prime Minister. That was clearly our fault.
 
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I never said the Pakistani military committed rape. I could not find proof of it, but mass rape did happen. There is nothing wrong with apologizing to our Muslim brothers and sisters. Atrocities were committed while the entire West Pakistani political map remained silent. A wrong is a wrong, no matter what the colors are. Take a higher moral ground. It will pay dividends in the long term. Some of the so-called rape victims were paid persons and later admitted as such. It is pretty murky. Can't trust one piece of evidence over another. But just imagine a population density in then East Pakistan. These things are bound to happen and could be blamed on the Pakistani government. Very easy. Nevertheless, close this chapter once and for all and move on as a nation. Just think about it. A close strategic partner, Bangladesh, is better than anything else in South Asia.
You are contradicting yourself. At first you said Pakistani military did not commit rape, but then you said mass rape happened? By who? The Japanese army?

Come on!
 
That's exactly what I was trying to point out. The younger generation of Pakistan should be made aware of the crimes committed by the elites of former West Pakistan and its military, crimes that Pakistan has long tried to conceal from its people.

This is evident from many of the posts in this thread, where some have attempted to portray that bloody war as a conspiracy orchestrated by Mujib and India. In reality, it was the West Pakistani establishment that killed hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians in an attempt to prevent Mujib from governing all of Pakistan after his democratic victory. It was expected though, as Mujib's leadership would have brought an end to the exploitation of Bangladeshis by West Pakistan that had continued for two decades.

However, don't get me wrong. I have nothing against ordinary Pakistanis. In fact, I find many of them to be tolerant and progressive unlike the resident Jamatis who are always conspiring against our nation. The issue is that most Pakistanis were never allowed to learn the full truth about those events.

That is precisely the point of this thread-to acknowledge the truth and build a new relationship from the ground up. Most of those who were directly responsible for the bloodshed r no longer alive. Recognizing the past honestly is the first step toward moving forward.
Most Pakistanis know what happened, our military/leadership failed us, their decisions backfired and it cost us half of Pakistan, but we also understand it was a very complex situation. The actual fight started way before 1971 about Bangali rights, language, one unit state, resources, power. Gen Yahya wanted one unit meanwhile Mujiber Rehman and Fatima Jinnah wanted regional autonomousy/continuity of the federal state. The doucebags in power wanted more control, it was also true many political leaders were collaborating with RAW, as proven after 1971 since they became pro India, Indian Modi also admitted they liberated Bangladesh and supported Mukti Bahni, Indian direct involvement.

Modi on 1971
Modi has explicitly referred to Indian forces fighting together with the Mukti Bahini. In a 2021 message, he wrote: "Together, we fought and defeated oppressive forces," referring to Bangladeshis and Indian armed forces.

The politicians always play dirty politics and do propaganda, this is what was done, Mujiber Rehman betrayed Pakistan no doubt, he used grievances to divide Pakistan, he himself was Pakistani and destroyed the state, if he had small sincerity he would have kept East Pakistan as the name since Bangladeshi people were Pakistanis and they created Pakistan too, maybe later on worked towards a union type of state with more power.
Ofcourse all wasnt his fault, western Pakistan elite wanted total control and this was what he was against, he wanted Federation, autonomousy, more power for East Pakistan. But after 1971 it maybe possible he was playing politics and only wanted to divide Pakistan.

We must remember Pakistan was a new weak state and it faced many issues, corruption, power hungry leadership etc. Look at Bangladesh today, according to you I assume Hasina is the legitimate ruler, so does this mean BAL can start rebellion, form militias to attack Bangladesh army, if you try this they will crush you, and yes 10,000s will die in the process, the same way Hasina crushed her opponents, did that mean Bangladeshi people have a right to form militant organisations or collaborate with enemies to break up Bangladesh?. Mujiber Rehman after coming to power formed Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini, according to sources within Bangladesh The Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini was accused of widespread human-rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings. Estimates of the number of deaths attributed to the force vary greatly, ranging from a few thousand in conservative estimates to tens of thousands in claims made by some political opponents.

Does this mean he committed genocide, Bangladesh people should have formed militant organisation to fight him, you see when you place yourself in that situation everything changes.

The unfortunate fact is the people of Pakistan pre 1971 fell for the propaganda, hatred and corrupt and powerful hungry people destroyed us, made us fight and kill each other. Normal citizens of both nations are hurt by what happened.

To move forward both nations need to form independent truth commission, whoever did the mistakes should be exposed, and Pakistan should then officially apologise to the Bangladeshi people, for the military operations, for killing any innocent people or human rights violations, and Bangladesh must also apologise for killings Biharis, rebellion against own army, collaboration with India. We can then move on.
 
I mean, that was the whole point for the creation of Pakistan was to have political rights and sovereignty of our people which British raj did not give before independence.

So the actual traitors were those who decided to fight against democratically elected government of Pakistan.

If you can't accept people's mandate, there are only two options, Subjugation or separation. First one doesn't work for us. So the second option it is. And I very much doubt illegal Pak establishment would have allowed separation through a referendum or some peaceful political process. Any hope of which they killed with launching operation search light on night of 25th march 1971. Declaration of BD's independence came after that not before.
Pakistan elite were working towards one unit state, to control all provinces without much regional autonomousy. 1947 Pakistan was federal Pakistan and this was the will of the people but unfortunately someone above thought different. Even now alot of what's going on in current Pakistan is centre v regional/federal forces. The main issue is corrupt elite make evil designs to control people and resources.
 
No doubt. Bd Mulims feel for him more than ever with everything going around in India.

I believe Bangladesh did injustice to M. A Jinnah (RA) because without him there wouldn't be a Pakistan. Bd should have preserved his contribution for the creation of Pakistan even though EP separated from WP. Bottom line, he is the original founder of Bangladesh.
Thats the most heartbreaking thing. Our ancestors fought and sacrificed for Pakistan and we allow corrupt politicians and foreigners to make us fight. Dont forget Allama Iqbal, he dreamt of Pakistan, he lobbyed Jinnah to take charge of Independent movement.

Jinnah:
“Iqbal was not only a great poet but also a great thinker. He was the pioneer of the idea of Pakistan.”

“Iqbal is no more amongst us, but had he been alive he would have been happy to know that his dream has been fulfilled.”
 
Most Pakistanis know what happened, our military/leadership failed us, their decisions backfired and it cost us half of Pakistan, but we also understand it was a very complex situation. The actual fight started way before 1971 about Bangali rights, language, one unit state, resources, power. Gen Yahya wanted one unit meanwhile Mujiber Rehman and Fatima Jinnah wanted regional autonomousy/continuity of the federal state. The doucebags in power wanted more control, it was also true many political leaders were collaborating with RAW, as proven after 1971 since they became pro India, Indian Modi also admitted they liberated Bangladesh and supported Mukti Bahni, Indian direct involvement.

Modi on 1971
Modi has explicitly referred to Indian forces fighting together with the Mukti Bahini. In a 2021 message, he wrote: "Together, we fought and defeated oppressive forces," referring to Bangladeshis and Indian armed forces.

The politicians always play dirty politics and do propaganda, this is what was done, Mujiber Rehman betrayed Pakistan no doubt, he used grievances to divide Pakistan, he himself was Pakistani and destroyed the state, if he had small sincerity he would have kept East Pakistan as the name since Bangladeshi people were Pakistanis and they created Pakistan too, maybe later on worked towards a union type of state with more power.
Ofcourse all wasnt his fault, western Pakistan elite wanted total control and this was what he was against, he wanted Federation, autonomousy, more power for East Pakistan. But after 1971 it maybe possible he was playing politics and only wanted to divide Pakistan.

We must remember Pakistan was a new weak state and it faced many issues, corruption, power hungry leadership etc. Look at Bangladesh today, according to you I assume Hasina is the legitimate ruler, so does this mean BAL can start rebellion, form militias to attack Bangladesh army, if you try this they will crush you, and yes 10,000s will die in the process, the same way Hasina crushed her opponents, did that mean Bangladeshi people have a right to form militant organisations or collaborate with enemies to break up Bangladesh?. Mujiber Rehman after coming to power formed Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini, according to sources within Bangladesh The Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini was accused of widespread human-rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings. Estimates of the number of deaths attributed to the force vary greatly, ranging from a few thousand in conservative estimates to tens of thousands in claims made by some political opponents.

Does this mean he committed genocide, Bangladesh people should have formed militant organisation to fight him, you see when you place yourself in that situation everything changes.

The unfortunate fact is the people of Pakistan pre 1971 fell for the propaganda, hatred and corrupt and powerful hungry people destroyed us, made us fight and kill each other. Normal citizens of both nations are hurt by what happened.

To move forward both nations need to form independent truth commission, whoever did the mistakes should be exposed, and Pakistan should then officially apologise to the Bangladeshi people, for the military operations, for killing any innocent people or human rights violations, and Bangladesh must also apologise for killings Biharis, rebellion against own army, collaboration with India. We can then move on.
Great post, up until the last delusional paragraph.
 
Great post, up until the last delusional paragraph.
Care to elaborate. I understand the last paragraph will not happen but if people genuinely want to move forward then we must give and take. If military did kill innocent people then we need to apologise and prosecute who did this, the same way Bangladesh must accept their mistakes. Then we can reset relations and move forward.
 
Care to elaborate. I understand the last paragraph will not happen but if people genuinely want to move forward then we must give and take. If military did kill innocent people then we need to apologise and prosecute who did this, the same way Bangladesh must accept their mistakes. Then we can reset relations and move forward.
Yes it is time to reset relations with Bangladesh now.

Its been a long time since 1971. Bangladesh cannot live in 1971 forever.

We should apologize to Bangladesh for not letting Sheikh Mujibur Rehman be the Prime Minister of the united Pakistan and for whatever atrocities Pakistani army committed in East Pakistan.

Also Bangladesh should apologize for Mukti Bahini and their atrocities committed against Urdu speaking people in East Pakistan.
 
Yes it is time to reset relations with Bangladesh now.

Its been a long time since 1971. Bangladesh cannot live in 1971 forever.

We should apologize to Bangladesh for not letting Sheikh Mujibur Rehman be the Prime Minister of the united Pakistan and for whatever atrocities Pakistani army committed in East Pakistan.

Also Bangladesh should apologize for Mukti Bahini and their atrocities committed against Urdu speaking people in East Pakistan.
Bangladesh doesn't want apology for Mujiber Rehman, they want:
Formal apology for 1971 events
Repatriation of stranded populations (especially “Biharis”)
Division of pre-1971 financial assets and responsibilities.

Pakistan is asking nothing but yes Bangladesh must admit collaboration with India was wrong, allowing Indian forces inside Bangladesh was wrong, apology for the killings of the Biharis and Pakistan army soldiers.
 
Bangladesh doesn't want apology for Mujiber Rehman, they want:
Formal apology for 1971 events
Repatriation of stranded populations (especially “Biharis”)
Division of pre-1971 financial assets and responsibilities.

Pakistan is asking nothing but yes Bangladesh must admit collaboration with India was wrong, allowing Indian forces inside Bangladesh was wrong, apology for the killings of the Biharis and Pakistan army soldiers.
Why should we apologize for the events? That is retarded.

We can apologize for two things:

1) Not accepting the popular mandate of the people - Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the Prime Minister.

2) Pakistani army commiting atrocities in East Pakistan.


Bangladesh needs to apologize for

1) Mukti Bahini and their crimes against Urdu speakers in East Pakistan.

2) Allowing Infidel Indian forces into East Pakistan.


Pakistani National Assembly should apologize for not accepting Sheikh Mujibur Rehman not being the Prime Minister. That was clearly our fault. I accept that.

But no apology for rape or genocide unless evidence is given.
 
Care to elaborate. I understand the last paragraph will not happen but if people genuinely want to move forward then we must give and take. If military did kill innocent people then we need to apologise and prosecute who did this, the same way Bangladesh must accept their mistakes. Then we can reset relations and move forward.
Yes and no to your recommendation. I have elaborated in my previous post at length so won't spam again.

In short, Pakistan will not serve Delhi's purpose in this game. Of course, if India didn't exist, then there should certainly be truth and reconciliation AND even apologies where necessary - we are all perfectly reasonable people with no hidden agenda. But in the present reality, this behaviour will only serve Delhi's purpose and Delhi's hidden agenda. I suspect reasonable Bangladeshi friends will understand this and instead of dwelling on it, will forge ahead with making meaningful interactions with us in a variety of more practical fields.
 

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