Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

I can't think of any air force that can afford 75% of its fighter fleet running on twin engines its ruinously expensive. That too the most expensive twin engined 4.5 Gen fighter that even France can't afford to keep in a fleet wide operational ready state. Is there a choice? The Gripen? Make the Gripen in India instead and stop wasting time and money on Tejas and Rafale. Invest that money on addressing gaps in mission-critical capabilities focusing on preparing for the way air combat will be fought in the next 20 years not how it was fought in the 90's when the Rafale was relevant.
France has only RAFALE, all twin engine.. 100% twin engine?
Does flying and maintenance cost has more to do with twin engine? Or is it related to light, medium and heavy fighters category? e.g a medium single engine class fighter vs light engine twin engine class medium class fighter? Will the operational cost for both medium class fighter in the case as i mentioned will be different?
 
France has only RAFALE, all twin engine.. 100% twin engine?
Does flying and maintenance cost has more to do with twin engine? Or is it related to light, medium and heavy fighters category? e.g a medium single engine class fighter vs light engine twin engine class medium class fighter? Will the operational cost for both medium class fighter in the case as i mentioned will be different?
India operates Rafale, Mig-29 and SU-30MKI which are all twin engins.

The Jaguars and Mirages are single engine, but currently vast majority of the aircraft they fly is twin engine.
 
One rafale was down - even france aircraft manufacture confirmed a long ago
Why was even one rafale shot down? How did PAF managed to shoot down this Indian dog?

I mean, wasn't one Rafale enough to destroy whole PAF?

It was supposed to kill J-20s. What happened?

Did the Indian pilot shit or piss in his pants?

Was the pilot able to get a lock on any PAF jet?
 
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Although reports that Pakistan had downed Indian aircraft using Chinese-made J-10 fighters had circulated for some time, they remained unofficial. Now, however, Beijing has formally acknowledged the event and listed it among China's key defense-related developments of 2025
China's State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) announced that in 2025, the domestically produced J-10 fighter achieved its first-ever air-to-air combat victory. While the statement does not specify the exact time or location, it almost certainly refers to the shoot-down of an Indian Air Force Dassault Rafale by the Pakistan Air Force.

This event was named one of the ten most important developments in China's national defense industry in 2025. The list also included the commissioning of the Fujian aircraft carrier, a parade marking the 80th anniversary of the end of World War II, achievements in uranium production and processing, advances in the space sector, and several other milestones.

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Notably, the Chinese statement mentions that several enemy aircraft were shot down in air combat. This figure falls between Pakistan's claim of five Indian fighters destroyed and assessments by various Western analysts, who generally speak of two losses. It is also possible that the reference is not limited to Dassault Rafale aircraft and could include other types, such as the Su-30MKI.

China also claims that no J-10CE fighters were lost during the fighting. There is no publicly available evidence that directly contradicts this assertion, and in general, reliable confirmation of Pakistani air losses has been difficult to obtain.

India is likely to contest these claims, as it has reported significant successes of its own, including alleged strikes on an airborne early warning aircraft and even on an S-400 air defense system. However, given the lack of supporting evidence and India's initial denial of any aircraft losses, such statements remain unconvincing.

It is worth recalling that in May 2025, a Pakistan Air Force J-10CE reportedly shot down an Indian Dassault Rafale from a distance of approximately 200 km using a long-range PL-15 air-to-air missile. We previously covered the history of this fighter and its russian–Israeli technological roots in more detail.

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Chinese officials emphasize that this combat success demonstrates the capabilities of China's defense industry and helps it carve out a distinct niche on the global arms market, raising the prospect of new export contracts in the near future. At the same time, criticism has recently emerged regarding the performance of VT-4 tanks in Thailand.

The fighting has also boosted the profile of the Pakistan–China co-developed JF-17 fighter, which is produced domestically by Pakistan. In addition to an existing contract with Libya, the aircraft is reportedly attracting interest from other countries, including Indonesia.
Already posted elsewhere
 
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What do you think guys? A J-10CE or not much worth to discuss?

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PS: By the way, someone in the comments claimed "More importantly Guizhou confirmation finally"!
What did I miss? I see an AVIC logo but from what does he identify this to be at Guizhou?
 
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India operates Rafale, Mig-29 and SU-30MKI which are all twin engins.

The Jaguars and Mirages are single engine, but currently vast majority of the aircraft they fly is twin engine.
Jaguar is also twin engine
 

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