China Auto Thread

[Menthol]

Tesla pushes suppliers to produce parts outside of China and Taiwan

Move comes amid rising geopolitical tensions and competition from Chinese rivals

asia.nikkei.com

In my eyes, China and USA are already decoupled.

The rest of the news is just about the process of dismantling everything.

USA will move their factory outside China and China will develop its own standard, not following USA anymore.

That is the news we are going to read every day.

 

[Fatman17]

It's a matter of time before China is the market leader in the Pakistan automotive sector. Suzuki Toyota and Honda are the 3 main players in the Pakistan market. (Cars and SUVs)

 

[abby_hammes]

Exactly. Battery tech is just going to get better and better. Those loud idiots who are completely against EVs because they are fixated on Lithium and all its "environmental ills" are being closed minded to new discoveries which will eventually phase it out.

We should expect someday some kind of spray in foam that will be sandwiched in between body panels that will store electrical charges. Everybody focusing on heavy cylindrical metal lithium batteries should wake up to what the future may bring.

I totally agree! Battery technology is evolving rapidly, and it's exciting to think about future innovations. For those interested in what's to come, it's worth checking out the website https://sweetbonanza.net.br/ to learn more about technological advancements and other exciting developments.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

XPeng with its driverless tech doesn't even make the list.

XPeng continues to challenge Tesla FSD with XNGP self-driving, now available throughout China

XPeng Motors announced a massive milestone for its XPeng navigation guided pilot (XNGP) ADAS feature that enables self-driving in several...

electrek.co

 

[Menthol]

Auto Parking comparison video between Xiaomi, Exeed, Xpeng, Nio, etc.

 

[Menthol]

A video comparison of autonomous driving on Beijing road between Aito M7 (Huawei) vs 极越 01 (Baidu Apollo).

 

[Menthol]

I think I'm falling in love with this car.

First, the car design won Reddot, iF, and GoodDesign awards (Which means this car is really good looking).

Second, there's autonomous driving using Baidu Apollo (if I'm not wrong Baidu Apollo is L4).

Third, the voice command is using Baidu Earnie.
Baidu ChatGPT, so it's not just a standard voice command, but smart voice command.
You can also speak to the car from outside, like asking to open the door for you, or park the car.

Fourth, the price, if I'm not wrong, is around USD 30.000 to USD 40.000. (Crazy cheap for a car like this).

I guess, this is the most advanced EV in China right now.

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www.jiyue-auto.com

 

[Menthol]

Xpeng X9 MPV's XNGP (autonomous driving) experience on Xian road.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Tesla beats out all the other major Chinese car manufacturers in the least number of complaints

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Xpeng X9 MPV's XNGP (autonomous driving) experience on Xian road.

Already this doesn't bode well at all for exports

 

[Menthol]

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Yes, that is actually the bad side of it.

One of the factors why many people outside China are interesting about Chinese car, is because of the autonomous driving system.

All of them will be disappointed, including me. Very sad actually.

Anyway, Xpeng's XNGP officially support 200 cities in Mainland China (and in 200 cities, not all the road is covered, if I'm not mistaken).

To be honest, many of the autonomous driving systems that don't require HD map requirement can be used on almost any road, it's just that the manufacture won't recommend it, and won't take any responsibility if something bad happens.

I saw some videos, people in China are using Huawei autonomous driving in the mountain dirt road (Probably in Tibet or Xinjiang, near western border).

Some even use it on the road in the middle of rice fields down to a chaotic village road at night, completely dark.

I think I will buy the one that can be hacked. Lol

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://www.wicz.com/story/50876970/byd-vs-huawei-trash-talking-by-chinas-ev-giants-highlights-pressures-at-heart-of-worlds-biggest-car-market

BYD vs Huawei: Trash talking by China's EV giants highlights pressures at heart of world's biggest car market​

Hong Kong (CNN) — As profit margins get squeezed, temperatures are rising in the world’s biggest car market.
A tense exchange between two major Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers in recent days highlights the pressures they face as a price war in the industry intensifies.
It all started on Saturday, when Yu Chengdong, the chairman of Huawei’s smart car unit, implied that rival EV maker BYD is racing ahead because of low prices rather than the quality of its cars.

“Currently, BYD is … number one in the rat race, because it has extremely low costs,” he said at a public forum in Shenzhen.
BYD, a carmaker Elon Musk once laughed at, overtook his Tesla (TSLA) at the end of last year as the biggest seller of electric vehicles on the planet. (Tesla regained its position in the first quarter of this year, but they’re neck and neck.)
“We are not good at competing with ultra-low prices. Rather, we are good at competing with value, intelligence, luxury, comfort, safety, high quality, excellent and comfortable user experience,” Yu added.

While top executives from the EV industry often post on social media about a range of topics, including technology and advertising, they rarely name rival companies, especially when criticizing them.
In recent months, a price war has escalated in China’s hyper-competitive EV industry, with manufacturers battling for consumer attention with deep discounts or newer, cheaper models.
The industry suffered a blow in May when US President Joe Biden quadrupled tariffs on electric vehicles from China to 100%, effectively sealing off one of the world’s biggest passenger car markets. It also faces potential extra import duties from the European Union as soon as next week.
Yu’s comments about BYD have gone viral on Chinese social media and provoked a sharp retort from the EV giant.
“Personally I have great respect for Huawei. But I feel that if Mr Yu can make fewer comparisons, either at press conferences or public forums, more people will like him, and Huawei’s brand would also gain points,” Li Yunfei, general manager of branding and public relations at BYD, said in a video post on Weibo on Thursday.
Li pointed out that Huawei is also trying to “compete with low prices,” as the company has made significant price cuts in the past year.
“We welcome other brands to show their cars at our booth and compete with ours on the same stage,” he added.
On the same day, Wang Chuanfu, founder and chairman of BYD, said at the company’s annual shareholder meeting that its core strength lies in “technology and innovation.”
BYD will invest 100 billion yuan ($13.8 billion) in developing smart EVs in the future, focusing on generative artificial intelligence and large model technologies, Wang added.
Earlier this week, BYD was among a group of nine automakers to receive a green light from the Chinese government for public trials of advanced auto driving.
Competition in the world’s largest EV market has become cutthroat. The country has more than 200 EV manufacturers who are grappling with huge oversupply and slowing consumer demand.
A brutal price war kicked in last year, with even market leaders like BYD and Tesla rushing to cut prices to retain or expand their market positions.
While deep price cuts by manufacturers and government subsidies for car buyers have boosted the volume of sales, overall profitability has fallen.
Wang said earlier this year that a “brutal elimination round” is coming for the industry, urging companies to form economies of scale and brand advantages “as soon as possible.”

 

[Menthol]

https://www.wicz.com/story/50876970/byd-vs-huawei-trash-talking-by-chinas-ev-giants-highlights-pressures-at-heart-of-worlds-biggest-car-market

BYD vs Huawei: Trash talking by China's EV giants highlights pressures at heart of world's biggest car market​

Hong Kong (CNN) — As profit margins get squeezed, temperatures are rising in the world’s biggest car market.
A tense exchange between two major Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers in recent days highlights the pressures they face as a price war in the industry intensifies.
It all started on Saturday, when Yu Chengdong, the chairman of Huawei’s smart car unit, implied that rival EV maker BYD is racing ahead because of low prices rather than the quality of its cars.

“Currently, BYD is … number one in the rat race, because it has extremely low costs,” he said at a public forum in Shenzhen.
BYD, a carmaker Elon Musk once laughed at, overtook his Tesla (TSLA) at the end of last year as the biggest seller of electric vehicles on the planet. (Tesla regained its position in the first quarter of this year, but they’re neck and neck.)
“We are not good at competing with ultra-low prices. Rather, we are good at competing with value, intelligence, luxury, comfort, safety, high quality, excellent and comfortable user experience,” Yu added.

While top executives from the EV industry often post on social media about a range of topics, including technology and advertising, they rarely name rival companies, especially when criticizing them.
In recent months, a price war has escalated in China’s hyper-competitive EV industry, with manufacturers battling for consumer attention with deep discounts or newer, cheaper models.
The industry suffered a blow in May when US President Joe Biden quadrupled tariffs on electric vehicles from China to 100%, effectively sealing off one of the world’s biggest passenger car markets. It also faces potential extra import duties from the European Union as soon as next week.
Yu’s comments about BYD have gone viral on Chinese social media and provoked a sharp retort from the EV giant.
“Personally I have great respect for Huawei. But I feel that if Mr Yu can make fewer comparisons, either at press conferences or public forums, more people will like him, and Huawei’s brand would also gain points,” Li Yunfei, general manager of branding and public relations at BYD, said in a video post on Weibo on Thursday.
Li pointed out that Huawei is also trying to “compete with low prices,” as the company has made significant price cuts in the past year.
“We welcome other brands to show their cars at our booth and compete with ours on the same stage,” he added.
On the same day, Wang Chuanfu, founder and chairman of BYD, said at the company’s annual shareholder meeting that its core strength lies in “technology and innovation.”
BYD will invest 100 billion yuan ($13.8 billion) in developing smart EVs in the future, focusing on generative artificial intelligence and large model technologies, Wang added.
Earlier this week, BYD was among a group of nine automakers to receive a green light from the Chinese government for public trials of advanced auto driving.
Competition in the world’s largest EV market has become cutthroat. The country has more than 200 EV manufacturers who are grappling with huge oversupply and slowing consumer demand.
A brutal price war kicked in last year, with even market leaders like BYD and Tesla rushing to cut prices to retain or expand their market positions.
While deep price cuts by manufacturers and government subsidies for car buyers have boosted the volume of sales, overall profitability has fallen.
Wang said earlier this year that a “brutal elimination round” is coming for the industry, urging companies to form economies of scale and brand advantages “as soon as possible.”

I guess, not long after, the government will interfere the price war.

It's unhealthy.

Everyone will die.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I guess, not long after, the government will interfere the price war.

It's unhealthy.

Everyone will die.

Well it’s an interesting game. Hopefully no safety corners are being cut.

 

[Yommie]

Why China is winning the EV war​