China blocking sale of tunnel boring machines to India: Piyush Goyal to German minister

zhanlong said:
Union minister of commerce and industry Piyush Goyal, in a viral video, is seen telling Germany’s vice-chancellor and federal minister of economic affairs and climate action Robert Habeck that China has stopped sales of tunnel boring machines made by a German company to India.

“See your German company (Herrenknecht) is supplying us some tunnel boring machines which they make in China. But China is not allowing them to sell these to India. We should stop buying German equipment now,” Goyal tells Habeck while taking a ride in Delhi Metro’s Airport Express line.

Responding to Goyal, Habeck says, “I think I should listen to you.”



The Union minister, however, expressed hope that India and Germany can deepen strategic partnerships and translate this collaboration into real growth for the economies and the citizens of both the countries.

From AI adoption to semiconductors, from fostering the nation’s vibrant startup ecosystem to collaborating on green technology, the synergies between India and Germany can drive unprecedented growth, says Goyal.

Germany’s art of precision engineering coupled with India’s ability to scale up in the physical, digital or social infrastructure will help create something extraordinary for the world, Goyal said while inaugurating the 18th Asia Pacific Conference of German Business in New Delhi.

The Union minister said that the Asia-Pacific region encompasses 60% of world's population and by 2030, two-thirds of the global middle class will reside in Asia. This demographic shift presents a fertile ground for businesses seeking to expand their reach and capitalise on emerging sectors, he said.

Noting that today’s India is built on strong macroeconomic fundamentals, Goyal said that reform, resilience and readiness is available for the future for businesses across the world. On combating climate change, Goyal emphasised India’s commitment at the UN Climate Change Conference (COP21) in 2015, and said that India collectively with the Global South got together with the developed countries to be a part of the solution. He added that India, currently ranked 7th in Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), is on track to exceed the nationally determined contributions (NDCs) and also the targets set before the world.

Last month, Goyal exhorted India's auto industry to combine their organic growth with a certain amount of inorganic outreach across the world as that would help India to get access to some “enviable” technologies. Recalling a message he received, Goyal said: “A very large German company, as a matter of respect I will not take the name, has possibly gone down to zero value in the stock market. The gentleman who sent me that message was urging me that India needs to buy it off. Why doesn’t the government or some of its companies buy it off?” Goyal said on the opportunity to buy a German carmaker. “Government will not be in a position to take a decision overnight and assess the pros and cons, negotiate value with the German government. But anyone of you can possibly do that from the private sector. But with that company will come large amount of enviable technologies which India could do wonders with,” he said.

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I think Indians have found the wrong partner. We don't know whether Indians can solve this problem by finding Germans?
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If this is China's policy then yes it will affect our projects in short run.
But in long run, India is too big to be bullied.


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All the Metro TBMs currently being supplied by us in India are now made in India

bC India has been a first major gathering post pandemic era for construction equipment sector in India, which has seen similar footfalls to that of pre-pandemic. Overall, we are quite happy as an exhibitor to meet and greet some our customers/vendors face-to-face after a long gap of TWO years...
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We usually think that when you discuss a problem. You have logic. You know what you're talking about. Others can also know what you are saying. They may not agree with you. But they understand your logic.

But unfortunately. In this thread. A member is unrelated to logic.
 
zhanlong said:
We usually think that when you discuss a problem. You have logic. You know what you're talking about. Others can also know what you are saying. They may not agree with you. But they understand your logic.

But unfortunately. In this thread. A member is unrelated to logic.
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Not just one, a bhakt just showed up parroting nonsense, and promise of becoming a "Soupa Powa" by 2199
 
final_countdown said:
If this is China's policy then yes it will affect our projects in short run.
But in long run, India is too big to be bullied.


constructiontimes.co.in

All the Metro TBMs currently being supplied by us in India are now made in India

bC India has been a first major gathering post pandemic era for construction equipment sector in India, which has seen similar footfalls to that of pre-pandemic. Overall, we are quite happy as an exhibitor to meet and greet some our customers/vendors face-to-face after a long gap of TWO years...
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Which Indian tunnel uses Indian TBM?

“The Mavala TBM, manufactured by the China Railway Construction Heavy Industry Company (CRCHIC), weighs more than 1,700t and is 12m in diameter.”

 
It's an issue, Chinese copied German tech and Germany just sit back and take it. A pathetic situation, Indian minister is just reminding him how bad it is for other countries it is to get German tech while the Chinese simply copies them. Lol!
Although it's unlikely to change anything. Frustration from Indian side is understandable. We should look for making TBMs, the legal way paying royalties that's what the minister in the end conveyed.
 
Vikramaditya1 said:
It's an issue, Chinese copied German tech and Germany just sit back and take it. A pathetic situation, Indian minister is just reminding him how bad it is for other countries it is to get German tech while the Chinese simply copies them. Lol!
Although it's unlikely to change anything. Frustration from Indian side is understandable. We should look for making TBMs, the legal way paying royalties that's what the minister in the end conveyed.
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There is so much knowledge in textbooks. indians only learned one word, 'copy'. Defamation is zero cost. But technology requires R&D.

The current issue is. Indians only know one word, copy. Indians don't know about R&D.

Even worse. India is now begging for technology. Not copying. Because the prerequisite for copying is that you first have technology.... For a country that even needs to import special steel and train wheels from China. Copy TBM technology is too difficult.
 
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zhanlong said:
Union minister of commerce and industry Piyush Goyal, in a viral video, is seen telling Germany’s vice-chancellor and federal minister of economic affairs and climate action Robert Habeck that China has stopped sales of tunnel boring machines made by a German company to India.

“See your German company (Herrenknecht) is supplying us some tunnel boring machines which they make in China. But China is not allowing them to sell these to India. We should stop buying German equipment now,” Goyal tells Habeck while taking a ride in Delhi Metro’s Airport Express line.

Responding to Goyal, Habeck says, “I think I should listen to you.”



The Union minister, however, expressed hope that India and Germany can deepen strategic partnerships and translate this collaboration into real growth for the economies and the citizens of both the countries.

From AI adoption to semiconductors, from fostering the nation’s vibrant startup ecosystem to collaborating on green technology, the synergies between India and Germany can drive unprecedented growth, says Goyal.

Germany’s art of precision engineering coupled with India’s ability to scale up in the physical, digital or social infrastructure will help create something extraordinary for the world, Goyal said while inaugurating the 18th Asia Pacific Conference of German Business in New Delhi.

The Union minister said that the Asia-Pacific region encompasses 60% of world's population and by 2030, two-thirds of the global middle class will reside in Asia. This demographic shift presents a fertile ground for businesses seeking to expand their reach and capitalise on emerging sectors, he said.

Noting that today’s India is built on strong macroeconomic fundamentals, Goyal said that reform, resilience and readiness is available for the future for businesses across the world. On combating climate change, Goyal emphasised India’s commitment at the UN Climate Change Conference (COP21) in 2015, and said that India collectively with the Global South got together with the developed countries to be a part of the solution. He added that India, currently ranked 7th in Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), is on track to exceed the nationally determined contributions (NDCs) and also the targets set before the world.

Last month, Goyal exhorted India's auto industry to combine their organic growth with a certain amount of inorganic outreach across the world as that would help India to get access to some “enviable” technologies. Recalling a message he received, Goyal said: “A very large German company, as a matter of respect I will not take the name, has possibly gone down to zero value in the stock market. The gentleman who sent me that message was urging me that India needs to buy it off. Why doesn’t the government or some of its companies buy it off?” Goyal said on the opportunity to buy a German carmaker. “Government will not be in a position to take a decision overnight and assess the pros and cons, negotiate value with the German government. But anyone of you can possibly do that from the private sector. But with that company will come large amount of enviable technologies which India could do wonders with,” he said.

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I think Indians have found the wrong partner. We don't know whether Indians can solve this problem by finding Germans?
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It's a German machine produced by factory labor in China, I'm pretty sure Germans would move their factory to India given a big enough order from India, that might be good for German technology too since who wants to hear factory labors tantrums in business.

If you won't manufacture it someone will, just like Apple and boeing...
 
Can't Modi ask his uber genius buddy Elan bhayyia for his boring machine with which the latter completely revolutionized public transportation by reinventing underground subway yet only infinitely more inefficient?
 
SaadH said:
Can't Modi ask his uber genius buddy Elan bhayyia for his boring machine with which the latter completely revolutionized public transportation by reinventing underground subway yet only infinitely more inefficient?
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Elon is Xis bhaiya, that is why he got approval for giga factory in China but modi bhaiya denied him in India 😆
 
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