China Can Beat the U.S. Air Force in a War

IF US fight China near China, it just can't win. if it couldn't win a war in Korea 70 years ago when China basically had nothing, what makes you believe they can win now?

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JUST AS CHINA WILL NOT ALLOW American BOOTS TO APPROACH YALU RIVER EVEN THOUGH CHINA INDUSTRY WAS IN THE PRE STONE AGE AFTER SAVAGE BEATING AND BULLYING DURING THE CENTURY OF HUMILIATION AND CAN ONLY FIGHT America WITH BOLT ACTION SINGLE SHOT RIFLES JUST A STAGE ABOVE BLACK POWDER MUZZLE LOADING MUSKETS.

Folks forgotten how China can fight and did fight.

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USA had military advantage and fire power at least 100 times that of China in 1950



In 1950, the weakness of China very very real and not imaginary at all. Armed largely with single shot bolt action rifle a noch above black powder muzzle loader.

How can China ever hoped to prevail against battleships with 16 inch guns and planes and artillery and Ma Deuces with unlimited ammo supply and the claimed battle savy of USA army and Marines?

Dugout Doug and his generals laughed at those chink laundrymen and promised that they be crushed to red paste with firepower and laughed at the China warning not to approach Yalu river.


The military might and strength of USA with heavy artillery and planes and tanks and battleships with 16 inch guns cannot be resisted by China with economy slightly out of stone age and with single shot bolt action rifles. Bolt operated rifles were just one stage above using muzzle loading muskets and black powder.

That Chinese be slaughtered and turned into red pulp should they dare to fight good old Dugout in Korea.

Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.Chinese fought with bolt operated rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and battleships with 16″ guns.

Go read the book by
David Halberstam
The Coldest Winter



Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.



That lie of Chinese using human waves in Korean war and dying like flies in face of ‘American firepower and shells and bullets can be examined in the casualty statisics.

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Korean War Casualty Stats

Bullshit to all those crap talk of Chinese human waves and sending of Chinese into the meat grinder.

Feeble excuses as to how ‘American and their gang forces got fxcked and kicked back south of parallel by single bolt action rifles.

China told you all to get south of parallel and China stopped there.

Or they drive all of you down South of Pusan.

See the table of casualties.

That war became largely a war between Chinese and the rest.

Chinese suffered less dead and wounded than the rest of the ‘Muricans and UN doggies not withstanding single bolt action rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and kitchen sinks and battleships with 16″ guns.

If Chinese used human waves as so often lied about, China would have casualties 10 times worse than the rest combined.

Go read Coldest Winter
The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War: David Halberstam: 9780786888627: Amazon.com: Books

Or you telling me David Halberstam is a liar and fiction writer!




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And China will open her arsenal to Russia to demilitarise and denazifie NATO and America
 
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🇨🇳🇺🇸 If the United States intervenes in the conflict with China over Taiwan, Beijing is capable of striking 330 American military bases within the first island chain within the first 10 hours. The number of American casualties will reach from 100,000 to 200,000, and hundreds of thousands of Japanese military personnel will also die - Chinese professor Li Yi

China3army 🇦🇺🇨🇳🇹🇼 Australian Ambassador to the USA Kevin Rudd about the conflict over Taiwan

▪ It is foolish to ignore the growing clarity of China's military signals , including its latest military exercises.

▪China's actions will depend on its perception of US deterrent power .

▪ The US acknowledged that “if China succeeds in annexing Taiwan, it will impact US credibility and have a lasting impact on the perceived strength of US alliances around the world.”

▪ The US, China and Taiwan have a common interest in avoiding open military confrontation over the future of Taiwan.

▪ The economic costs, domestic political and geostrategic consequences that such a war would entail would be as great as the consequences of World War II.

▪ Whatever the outcome (US or Chinese victory or bloody stalemate), "the world after such a war is likely to be a radically different place than it was before."

Lol. CCP is not run by fanboys that believe in such silliness. CCP/PLA knows very well that if they hit a US base or bases steal rain will come down on Beijing and many other strategic targets in China. In less than a week Chinese navy will be no more and its air bases with its aircraft will be out of service for the foreseeable future.

China will be thinking to itself, what the hell just happened? 🤪
 
Lol. CCP is not run by fanboys that believe in such silliness. CCP/PLA knows very well that if they hit a US base or bases steal rain will come down on Beijing and many other strategic targets in China. In less than a week Chinese navy will be no more and its air bases with its aircraft will be out of service for the foreseeable future.

China will be thinking to itself, what the hell just happened? 🤪
Use those bases to hit China first and see what happens. Why China needs to hit an US base for no reason?
 
The top of this page is a post from someone that said, "Ukraine war is about attrition" that said all that you need to know about how one being delineated from battle science (Which is probably a better term for someone is speaking off their arse).

No one, in an offensive position would want to fight a war in attrition, if you are an defensive army, yes, you fight a war of attrition because you can't fight and win in a set piece, which mean you need to make them go away by simply going after their losses (that's a game theory thing, not going to talk about here) Taliban did that to us, Vietcong did that to us, AQI and ISIS did that to us, but we never fight an attritional war in an offensive capacity to anyone, because when you go that mode, that mean you can't win in an conventional way, which mean one of the most basic Principal of War is being violated - The Economy of Force. If Russia really fighting an attritional warfare with Ukraine, that is actually a strategic mistake.

Russia is undoubtedly fighting a war of attrition. But I would say, it isn't a mistake they made. Rather, they are being forced into fight this way. Ukraine by leveraging massive amount of superior Western Armaments along with rapid and successful structural adaptations, is preventing them from fighting a smart war. And Russian military lack necessary technological and organizational capabilities to effectively overcome this.
 
Use those bases to hit China first and see what happens. Why China needs to hit an US base for no reason?
Did you not read to what I replied to? It said if US intervene in Taiwan China would hit US military bases but reality is far different from what fanboys believe. US intervention is kinetic confrontation with PLAAF and PLAN without ever touching chinese territory but if China wants to escalate from beyond the air and ocean the US will show you what real war looks like.
 
Did you not read to what I replied to? It said if US intervene in Taiwan China would hit US military bases but reality is far different from what fanboys believe. US intervention is kinetic confrontation with PLAAF and PLAN without ever touching chinese territory but if China wants to escalate from beyond the air and ocean the US will show you what real war looks like.
Like what you showed in our next door neighbors Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
 
Russia is undoubtedly fighting a war of attrition. But I would say, it isn't a mistake they made. Rather, they are being forced into fight this way. Ukraine by leveraging massive amount of superior Western Armaments along with rapid and successful structural adaptations, is preventing them from fighting a smart war. And Russian military lack necessary technological and organizational capabilities to effectively overcome this.
If the Russian are forcing into attrition war, that's itself is a mistake.

Again, war don't just stop when all your battle is over, you still need to look at other stuff such as occupation, anti-insurgency, counterattack and transition, fighting in battle is just one of the stages of any war. All those stages required troop, and if Russia is already in attrition mode, then it would be a long and hard road ahead, because they still have not done quarter of what they need to do to win this war.

If you are invading, you need to adjust your tactics to the enemy in order to be flexible on goal, losing a battle (such as Battle of Kyiv) is not a strategic failure, how to recover from that and how not to get into what your enemy want is the key here, if Russia has been forcing into an invasion attrition against the defender. It may work for a smaller population like Estonia, Latvia, because in the long term you won't lose a bunch of troops, but it's going to take an enormous undertaking and time (which Russia don't really have) to try to outkill a 45 million population. To allow this to happen, that's a strategic failure.
 
Lol. CCP is not run by fanboys that believe in such silliness. CCP/PLA knows very well that if they hit a US base or bases steal rain will come down on Beijing and many other strategic targets in China. In less than a week Chinese navy will be no more and its air bases with its aircraft will be out of service for the foreseeable future.

China will be thinking to itself, what the hell just happened? 🤪





CHINA MIGHT WELL BE THE ONLY COUNTRY WITH IMMEDIATELY DEPLOYABLE USABLE THERMO NUKES
AND IF USA WANT TO USE EVEN ONE NUKE :D


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Sailing their carriers up and down in phony FONOPs.

And a great game to bully China for the fun of it.

And screaming if their carriers are touched, China will be in a big world of hurting.

As if America the only one with nukes and happy to toss them about like confetti.


And please do not talk of nukes. China might well be the only country
with fully functional H Bombs
Chinese H Bombs are done to the YuMing configuration requiring very little maintenance.
Muricans do their H bombs to the Ulam Teller configuration needing lots of maintenances.

Each warhead needs to have about 200 milligrams of fresh tritium added every year. Here’s a pic showing W80s having their gas changed.

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How many American H Bombs can go kaboom immediately? Not many.


When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.
US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons

Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia
And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.

China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.
3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs



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DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs
In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).

Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13)
As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.
Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.
2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia

The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.

The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.



Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.
How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?


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Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world


If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.

Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?


SSBNs
Type 094 Jin Class SSBN


Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.
Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.
Or 288 nuclear warheads

Type 096 Tang Class SSBN
This is similar to Ohio Class

Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.
Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.
Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.

Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.
Or the warheads delivered are empty. Or used to deliver dim sums, General Tso chicken, wulung tea bags and cleaned laundry by Chink laundrymen, express delivery.

If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.

China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces, ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.
None of the USA carriers will be spared. The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.


And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)

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How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.
A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.
China will not allow that to happen again. China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China, or exist only in name after a nuked China


So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes
The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.
Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.

And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying **** as to the reasons.


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Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.
 
lOl, why US doesn't make Houthis "disappear" before talking about disappearing China?

Now we see how powerful US navy and airforce is dealing with the Houthis everyday.

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lOl, why US doesn't make Houthis "disappear" before talking about disappearing China?

Now we see how powerful US navy and airforce is dealing with the Houthis everyday.

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Wow... How dumb must you be to believe in such BS. Enjoy your fantasy that lives in your head just make sure you have family around you when reality punches you in the head.
 
Wow... How dumb must you be to believe in such BS. Enjoy your fantasy that lives in your head just make sure you have family around you when reality punches you in the head.
They did attack you, didn't they? What stops your from making them disappear?
 
They did attack you, didn't they? What stops your from making them disappear?
Confucius says patience Danielsan they don't pose threat to USN but their day will come. Now stop trying to deflect with whataboutisms and stay on topic. PLA hits a US base or bases and it's buh-bye for celestial navy and airbases.
 

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