China’s naval supremacy: A new reality for the U.S.

[FHN]

If china wants to import something they will do it via Russia. But those days are over. China can make anything now and doesn't lack r&d money.

 

[FuturePAF]

What's so special about it lol type 076 will mostly be used to contest Taiwan and maybe to second island chain. Gj-11,j-35,awacs like kj-600 and asw attack helicopters will be on that thing. Lol

Not every ship will have a catapult. A tilt rotor based on say a Type 055 Destroyer, as the flagship of a surface action task force, could carry an AEW radar, and help provide early warning to the task force. A tilt rotor can fly higher, faster and stay up longer than regular helicopters.

In a Taiwan contingency, a tilt rotor aew could be on each of the surface task groups forming a blockade of Taiwan further out and allow China to maintain continuous radar coverage.

For long range missions, protecting commercial traffic, having an aew in the task force will allow more robust independent operations.

 

[FuturePAF]

If china wants to import something they will do it via Russia. But those days are over. China can make anything now and doesn't lack r&d money.

Time is the factor. No doubt China will get there, but if leapfrogging the development schedule is a desire, procuring a commercial product is a cost effective route.

The V-22 has had a long and painful development route, with many accidents.

China has an indigenous tilt rotor but how many years till the design is large enough to carry significant payload and be ready for operational service?

There probably is decades of R&D China could acquire by working with the Russian Mil corporation.

 

[FHN]

Not every ship will have a catapult. A tilt rotor based on say a Type 055 Destroyer, as the flagship of a surface action task force, could carry an AEW radar, and help provide early warning to the task force. A tilt rotor can fly higher, faster and stay up longer than regular helicopters.

In a Taiwan contingency, a tilt rotor aew could be on each of the surface task groups forming a blockade of Taiwan further out and allow China to maintain continuous radar coverage.

For long range missions, protecting commercial traffic, having an aew in the task force will allow more robust independent operations.

Bruh we have land based awacs at great numbers. Almost 70-80 of them so far. There's also kj-3000 in the works as well and kj-600 for naval variants.


Helicopters primary mission are for submarine warfare. Why would china need the Italian tilt rotor? Lol china operates the second largest awacs fleet in the world. Not that far behind the United states.

There are also df-26 Tels ready for us navy and bases.

Chinese awacs are endless.

 

[FuturePAF]

Bruh we have land based awacs at great numbers. Almost 70-80 of them so far. There's also kj-3000 in the works as well and kj-600 for naval variants.
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Helicopters primary mission are for submarine warfare. Why would china need the Italian tilt rotor? Lol china operates the second largest awacs fleet in the world. Not that far behind the United states.
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There are also df-26 Tels ready for us navy and bases.
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Chinese awacs are endless.

This thread is about Chinese NAVAL SUPREMACY. If China wants blue water supremacy it will have to operate far from its home waters, China will economize where possible. Every surface task force can’t be given and doesn’t need a full LHD to carry fixed wing aircraft like an AEW, if the mission requires it. A tilt rotor can fit that role if the landing deck is just large enough and the hangar big enough to accommodate it.

If a Chinese task force is escorting cargo in a Malacca dilemma scenario, having this capability all the way from Southern China to the Persian gulf will allow China inference of action.


The following picture is only representative, not saying the arliegh burkes can carry the v-22. (P.s. got to sit in a V-22, even the pilots seat and have a go at the controls. the aircraft is rather large for trying to fit on a destroyer. I know it’s a transport aircraft and not designed for that mission. next gen tilt rotors maybe just small enough though)

 

[FHN]

This thread is about Chinese NAVAL SUPREMACY. If China wants blue water supremacy it will have to operate far from its home waters, China will economize where possible. Every surface task force can’t be given and doesn’t need a full LHD to carry fixed wing aircraft like an AEW, if the mission requires it. A tilt rotor can fit that role if the landing deck is just large enough and the hangar big enough to accommodate it.

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Lol Chinese doctrine doesn't have to fit the American ones. Chinese ships dont operate around the global. Only in specific theater. Asw helicopters are good enough. I don't see the need for that. It's also being used for special units.

 

[FHN]

China has an answer for lack of amphibious assault ships. Commercial ferries and cargo ships can carry troops tanks to Taiwan lol

 

[FuturePAF]

Lol Chinese doctrine doesn't have to fit the American ones. Chinese ships dont operate around the global. Only in specific theater. Asw helicopters are good enough. I don't see the need for that. It's also being used for special units.

The Malacca dilemma may see a need to change the doctrine.

 

[FHN]

The Malacca dilemma may see a need to change the doctrine.

Lol china has a base in ream Cambodia which put Malacca strait at distant crossfire of yj-21. The most likely blockade is somewhere in the Persian Gulf where the US is less likely to be in the range of Chinese missile strikes. That's why having bases in Indian ocean and gwadar makes sense but china speed building of renewable green and nuclear will help migitate that. If china is in a rush they can always build a pipeline in Siberia.

 

[huanghong]

Importing a commercial product to leapfrog much of the development, especially if time is factor.

However, the data and lessons accumulated in these development links and the development process are invaluable experience for an industry with ideals and ambitions. I can't think of any reason why China would import goods and ignore them. On the other hand, I don't believe that suppliers are willing to provide help in this regard. Everyone knows China's terrible strength in learning industrial technology.

 

[FHN]

There's no reason for china to buy anything if they want to build a tilt rotor it will be done indigenously. It's not even some sort of sophisticated aircraft lol

 

[huanghong]

Not every ship will have a catapult. A tilt rotor based on say a Type 055 Destroyer, as the flagship of a surface action task force, could carry an AEW radar, and help provide early warning to the task force. A tilt rotor can fly higher, faster and stay up longer than regular helicopters.

In a Taiwan contingency, a tilt rotor aew could be on each of the surface task groups forming a blockade of Taiwan further out and allow China to maintain continuous radar coverage.

For long range missions, protecting commercial traffic, having an aew in the task force will allow more robust independent operations.

Tilt rotors have very complex airflow during takeoff and landing, and adding radar as a new safety variable is not a good idea.
Manufacturers have proposed building AEW on the V-22 for many years, but it has never been realized and no customer is willing to try it.

 

[FHN]

Tilt rotors have very complex airflow during takeoff and landing, and adding radar as a new safety variable is not a good idea.
Manufacturers have proposed building AEW on the V-22 for many years, but it has never been realized and no customer is willing to try it.

I'm sure u have more knowledge on it than I do. U guys have fun debating lol

 

[FHN]

If the goal is to transport troops to certain location then type 071 is a much much better option. Even commercial ferries and cargo. Carry marine units to take control of airfield? how about bombing the shit out of the place

 

[FuturePAF]

Tilt rotors have very complex airflow during takeoff and landing, and adding radar as a new safety variable is not a good idea.
Manufacturers have proposed building AEW on the V-22 for many years, but it has never been realized and no customer is willing to try it.

Building the AEW panels into the sides airframe should create an aircraft less likely to have those problems.

Denver this is in the context of China achieving “naval supremacy”, a change in doctrine from current PLAN doctrine?