Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[MH.Yang]

this thing is unbelievable

and also its so big ? more like a bomber than a fighter

has J36 killed the H20 project ?

The H20 does not need to cruise at hypersonic speed, nor does it need full-spectrum stealth. But a 6G fighter does.

If the H20 is killed, it should be by an unmanned bomber, not a 6G fighter.

 

[MH.Yang]

H-20 is your answer, but It would be manned bomber not unmanned bomber, First It would be lot easier to develop much smaller unmanned Fighter jets than move to the unmanned bomber

I feel more and more that H20 is a drone.

Manned stealth bomber is increasingly not suitable for China's operational system.

 

[Michael]

this thing is unbelievable
and also its so big ? more like a bomber than a fighter
has J36 killed the H20 project ?

In any case, the J-36 is a tactical-level weapon system, while the H-20 is a strategic-level weapon system. There is no basis for comparison between the two. Therefore, it's pointless to talk about one replacing the other. These are two completely different categories of systems.

There's no need for dedicated bombers in modern warfare. Long range cruise missiles can be launched from the ground.

The essence of war is the depletion of both sides' resources.

Simply put, when achieving the same destructive effect, whoever consumes fewer resources has a significant advantage.

Regardless of the means we use to attack the enemy, the ultimate goal is the destructive effect caused by the explosion. There are many ways to accurately deliver equivalent explosive ordnance to the target and successfully detonate it. The next step is to find an economic balance among these methods.
For example:
We need to deliver 10 tons of TNT equivalent explosive to a target 1000 km away and successfully detonate it. Possible methods:
1. Special agents transport it to the destination using cargo or other special means and manually detonate it. Its characteristics are: extremely high accuracy and low cost. However, doing this during wartime is very, very difficult.
2. We use a missile to deliver it to the destination and successfully detonate it. Its characteristics: extremely high cost, and its accuracy depends on the missile technology and control system capabilities. But the probability of success is highest.
Using a bomber is the best balance between these two methods.

A missile weighing tens of tons has a warhead of only 1-2 tons, and its manufacturing cost is very high.
An aerial bomb, on the other hand, has a warhead that accounts for over 90% of its total weight, and its manufacturing cost is very, very low.
Missiles are single-use products, while bombers can be reused many, many times.
You need to do a cost calculation.

The role of modern strategic bombers is undergoing a subtle change. Based on their massive airframes, and with the support of modern military technology, there are many things we can do with them.

They are not obsolete. But they will evolve further.

 

[Deino]

@Michael? What do you think??

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[Michael]

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Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to comment on the details of it.
You understand.

 

[Antonius123]

No need for dedicated bombers. J-36 plus aerial refueling has sufficient range.

Under the Strategic Nuclear Triad it mandates the deployment of nuclear warheads via three distinct platforms: land-based ICBMs, sea-based ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) carrying SLBMs, and air-based strategic bombers like H-20.

It is to ensure that an adversary cannot eliminate the entire second-strike capability in a single surprise first strike.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

At 24 meters long, Kh-69 size cruise missiles fit into J-36's bays. Kh-69 even fits in Su-57's bays.

Lol do you know what is you talking about? Most accurate guesstimate of j36 internal bays are 10 meters and 24 meters could be j36 TOTAL LENGTH not its weapon bays length

 

[Deino]

Intersting

 

[hasssanali8998]

Intersting

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care to tell us why

 

[Deino]

care to tell us why

Since it is one of few so far known „clearer“ images of the second (?) or at least heavily revised J-36 prototype.

 

[Aziqbal]

Chat GPT image enhancement reads it as 30011 but its says its a very poor image

the results are the second digit doesn't have a curve , interior loop or or gap or break to show its a "6"

it also says

We check for what a 6 would require:

• inner loop
• curved outer contour
• visible cavity
• non-vertical internal structure

but it doesn't know how Chinese programs are numbered

 

[Michael]

Since it is one of few so far known „clearer“ images of the second (?) or at least heavily revised J-36 prototype.

The two J-36 fighter jets have significant differences. Therefore, there are now two possibilities being speculated:

1. An updated version. (Ultimately, only one will be retained)
2. Two different versions for different purposes. (Both will be retained simultaneously)

Which possibility do you think is more likely?

 

[cir]

7th generation... ......

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

7th generation... ......

???????? 7th gen jets will won't come after 2050

 

[Shui]

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