Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[iblini]

that is why it is "nonsense" to say other's point is nonsense without analysis

it's common sense and you do not need any analysis, no one dares to give out any specs let alone real RCS figure at this time.

 

[iblini]

I do not see cockpit here.

 

[yusheng]

it's common sense and you do not need any analysis, no one dares to give out any specs let alone real RCS figure at this time.

So you have enough common sense to build a sixth generation plane?

Are you his substitute？

 

[iblini]

So you have enough common sense to build a sixth generation plane?

你有点不可理喻了,现在谁敢说这些参数啊,你还当真.

 

[yusheng]

你有点不可理喻了,现在谁敢说这些参数啊,你还当真.

Your Chinese is too poor and your expression is incorrect
中文太差，表达不清

 

[Antonius123]

whatever specs that is circulating online is pure nonsense, whoever giveaway the jet's real RCS figure is heading to jail, common sense, plus this 3-4 mach bs...

Though the RCS figure has no credibility, but mach 3 -4 is still plausible if J-36 is using RDE.

 

[iblini]

Another new image of SAC‘s new fighter


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I don't see cockpit, indicating it's an unmanned fighter version?

 

[iblini]

Saudis will just be hard cash.

India will get a production line and option to put in their own radar, avionics and missiles.

However these will be inferior to just taking the core subsystems and munitions developed by the 3 core partners.

There isn't any major war between two countries of that size like China and India, so it is really not a smart move to be panic and hop on another foreign fighter program again.

 

[Neurosmith]

I do not see cockpit here.

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There is indeed a bump that indicates a cockpit present.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Leaked video highlights China’s future fighter jet features​

NEWSAVIATION
ByDylan Malyasov
Jan 4, 2025


China’s aviation ambitions have taken a leap forward with the emergence of what is believed to be its next-generation fighter jet, unofficially named the J-50.

A recent video, circulating on the Chinese social media platform Weibo, showcases the stealth aircraft undergoing tests, marking another milestone in China’s push to develop cutting-edge combat aviation technology.

The aircraft, reportedly developed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC), is speculated to belong to the sixth generation of fighter jets, a category focused on advanced stealth, enhanced sensors, and manned-unmanned teaming capabilities.

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The future Chinese fighter jet boasts a distinct “lambda” wing profile, with sharply swept wings extending into triangular-shaped trailing-edge extensions that project beyond the dual-engine exhausts. This innovative design prioritizes aerodynamics, stealth, and maneuverability, enabling the jet to excel in complex air combat scenarios.

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The video also reveals an internal weapons bay, consistent with stealth-focused designs like the American F-22 and the Chinese J-20. This feature minimizes the radar signature of the aircraft while allowing it to carry an array of air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions.

Unconfirmed sources indicate that the J-50 prototype completed its maiden flight on December 20. If accurate, this milestone underscores the rapid pace of development in China’s aviation sector.

The J-50’s debut comes amid a global push to develop sixth-generation fighter jets, with the United States, Europe, and Japan all advancing their own programs. While China has not formally disclosed the J-50’s capabilities or objectives, the platform appears to aim for dominance in a future where air combat will rely on networked, stealthy, and multi-role aircraft.

By introducing the J-50, China signals its intent to compete on the world stage not only in quantity, as seen in its large fleet of fifth-generation fighters like the J-20, but also in quality with advanced, next-generation designs.

As the J-50 undergoes testing, analysts predict it will enhance China’s ability to project power and challenge adversaries in contested airspace. With features designed for long-range missions and stealth operations, the jet is expected to bolster China’s air capabilities in regions like the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait.

Leaked video highlights China’s future fighter jet features

China's aviation ambitions have taken a leap forward with the emergence of what is believed to be its next-generation fighter jet, unofficially named the J-50. A recent video, circulating on the Chinese social media platform Weibo, showcases the stealth aircraft undergoing tests, marking another...

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[FuturePAF]

It will cost too much. Ngad is reportedly cost 300 mil per plane I don't see tempest to be any cheaper. Better for them to go for su-57 and work on amca but knowing HAl incompetency first prototype will not be in the sky anytime soon

Indian analysts are recommending purchasing more Rafales off the shelf or making them in India. The French themselves are trying to down play the new fighters as “only on paper”.

I suspect this is the route the Indians will go considering they are also looking down upon the Su-57 as unproven and still in development.

The way the French try to play up the capabilities of the Rafale are the meteor and the software refreshes every 2 years.

This is why I hope the PL-21E can be developed with a range exceeding 300 km (longer than the 250 km range of the meteor and 290 km range for the Astra Mk. 3, as claimed by India). Also why I hope the PAF procures the J-10 and J-35A, but in a visible way to show that BOTH these aircraft exceed the capabilities of the Rafale.

The PL-21E with that kind of range is one major Psychological way to deter India (and other nations), as well as win sales from Countries buying aircraft just because of the Meteor. A J-10 (or even JF-17) equipped with the PL-21E could form the bulk of offerings by China alongside a tip of the Spear option for J-35A and be a disruptive bid in a world of countries operating legacy aircraft and missiles.

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[ety]

Indian analysts are recommending purchasing more Rafales off the shelf or making them in India. The French themselves are trying to down play the new fighters as “only on paper”.

I suspect this is the route the Indians will go considering they are also looking down upon the Su-57 as unproven and still in development.

The way the French try to play up the capabilities of the Rafale are the meteor and the software refreshes every 2 years.

This is why I hope the PL-21 can be developed with a range exceeding 300 km (longer than the 250 km range of the meteor and 290 km range for the Astra Mk. 3, as claimed by India). Also why I hope the PAF procures the J-10 and J-35A, but in a visible way to show that BOTH these aircraft exceed the capabilities of the Rafale.

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Yes, according to many Indian military experts, their Tejas are better than J 10C, their Rafales are more than enough to deal with J 20 and J 35 that are only fake 5 g fighters. And they are going to develop 6 g fighters soon and only laugh at the Chinese fake 6 g. So, Indians have no worry for Chinese air force or military.

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes, according to many Indian military experts, their Tejas are better than J 10C, their Rafales are more than enough to deal with J 20 and J 35 that are only fake 5 g fighters. And they are going to develop 6 g fighters soon and only laugh at the Chinese fake 6 g. So, Indians have no worry for Chinese air force or military.

This is why they need to be deterred in visible ways, they will have a hard time not accepting. That is why, IMHO, the PL-21 is one relatively easy way to do that. (Another is a stealth Z-10 but that a discussion for a different thread). Psychologically showing that they retain no visible edge, will eat at them, not unlike how the 40 Pakistani F-16s deterred them for decades, and then the acquisition of the AIM-120 by the PAF deterred them again for another decade and a half. Only with the Rafale do they think they have an edge. That notion has to end.

 

[ety]

This is why they need to be deterred in visible ways, they will have a hard time not accepting. That is why, IMHO, the PL-21 is one relatively easy way to do that. (Another is a stealth Z-10 but that a discussion for a different thread). Psychologically showing that they retain no visible edge, will eat at them, not unlike how the 40 Pakistani F-16s deterred them for decades, and then the acquisition of the AIM-120 by the PAF deterred them again for another decade and a half. Only with the Rafale do they think they have an edge. That notion has to end.

Yes, that's the danger for them to believe they have air force superiority over China or Pakistan, then they will likely engage in some kind military adventures on the borders.

 

[iblini]

Indian analysts are recommending purchasing more Rafales off the shelf or making them in India. The French themselves are trying to down play the new fighters as “only on paper”.

I suspect this is the route the Indians will go considering they are also looking down upon the Su-57 as unproven and still in development.

The way the French try to play up the capabilities of the Rafale are the meteor and the software refreshes every 2 years.

This is why I hope the PL-21E can be developed with a range exceeding 300 km (longer than the 250 km range of the meteor and 290 km range for the Astra Mk. 3, as claimed by India). Also why I hope the PAF procures the J-10 and J-35A, but in a visible way to show that BOTH these aircraft exceed the capabilities of the Rafale.

The PL-21E with that kind of range is one major Psychological way to deter India (and other nations), as well as win sales from Countries buying aircraft just because of the Meteor. A J-10 (or even JF-17) equipped with the PL-21E could form the bulk of offerings by China alongside a tip of the Spear option for J-35A and be a disruptive bid in a world of countries operating legacy aircraft and missiles.

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It's pretty normal for him to say such things considering his position, he is a French navy pilot taking an interview from Indian media, we can't expect him to say, we are doomed, our aircraft is hopeless against 5th or even 6th gen, he would say the same thing for a pit against F22/F35 or NGAD.
But in reality there are limits on each aircraft, you can't indefinitely upgrading a fourth gen aircraft and hoping it is on par a stealthy plane, we knew that , he also knew that very well.