Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

canard is the best.

Then why these are not used in J-36 and J-50?

 

[iblini]

Then why these are not used in J-36 and J-50?

lol, because I was being sarcastic, that is the question for you pal, why doesn't CAC with experience from J20 just simply upgrade and put canard on J-36.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

lol, because I was being sarcastic, that is the question for you pal, why doesn't CAC with experience from J20 just simply upgrade and put canard on J-36.

Because in fact no matter how advance CANARDS are its still significantly increase the surface area of the jet to the radars, that why these are not being in used on J-36 and J-50

 

[iblini]

Because in fact no matter how advance CANARDS are its still significantly increase the surface area of the jet to the radars, that why these are not being in used on J-36 and J-50

Bingo, finally we have something that both agreed.

That is the reason I said I am going to gives a huge applaud to both CAC and SAC team to step up the design instead of being conservative.

 

[Vi-va]

Definitely brother J20 can fly faster than F-35 but Mach 2.5 is extremely unlikely may be it has a top speed of slightly above Mach 2 but not Mach 2.5

I agree with you to some extent. It may be a number between 2 and 2.5. The top speed itself is not a top secret at all, but we just don't know.

And I believe the full specs of J-20 has been on the desk of some foreign generals many years ago, but the U.S. intelligence keep their mouth shut.

We may know it one day when J-20 is on the sales brochure.

 

[Michael]

F-47. the last hope of the American Empire!
Unfortunately, it's too late!

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Bingo, finally we have something that both agreed.

That is the reason I said I am going to gives a huge applaud to both CAC and SAC team to step up the design instead of being conservative.

Because in fact no matter how advance CANARDS are its still significantly increase the surface area of the jet to the radars, that why these are not being in used on J-36 and J-50

Canards present a trade-off: they likely increase RCS but significantly improve maneuverability. Particularly in tailless designs, canards are often crucial for control, unless the aircraft's design can otherwise replicate that maneuverability.

 

[iblini]

Canards present a trade-off: they likely increase RCS but significantly improve maneuverability. Particularly in tailless designs, canards are often crucial for control, unless the aircraft's design can otherwise replicate that maneuverability.

which is true but again, problem arises, we all agreed that sixth gen is all about full specturm stealth and it's combat range is 99% BVR range, even much more than fifth gen, then what is the point for this trade-off and improving maneuverability?

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

which is true but again, problem arises, we all agreed that sixth gen is all about full specturm stealth and it's combat range is 99% BVR range, even much more than fifth gen, then what is the point for this trade-off and improving maneuverability?

That's the actual discussion point.

 

[iblini]

That's the actual discussion point.

That is also why people on twitter, youtube and everywhere are arguing whether it really has a canard, so far, we only have a photo from the whitehouse presentation and USAF offcial account, we have to wait until we sees the actual plane.

What we do know is China has ditched the canard from J20, choses to have control surface on wingtip, rear like J50 and J36.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

That is also why people on twitter, youtube and everywhere are arguing whether it really has a canard, so far, we only have a photo from the whitehouse presentation and USAF offcial account, we have to wait until we sees the actual plane.

What we do know is China has ditched the canard from J20, choses to have control surface on wingtip, rear like J50 and J36.

Dear design capability is also a factor here. Aircraft design complexity plays a crucial role. Tailless configurations present significant control challenges, placing greater emphasis on canards and other control surfaces. The potential inclusion of canards in the NGAD design, if confirmed, would ignite the canard-versus-tail debate, particularly when compared to the GCAP project. Also It's possible that China possesses advanced design capabilities that allow for effective maneuverability in tailless aircraft without relying on canards. This highlights the numerous design considerations and areas for discussion surrounding these advanced aircraft. Lot's of things can be debated and that's what i was refering.

 

[Deino]

Via dxq4412/SDF: As it seems the first image posted showing a CAC J-36 on the ground.

„Couldn’t find the original image source, and it’s been taken down now.“

Source: Bilibili.

 

[iblini]

Dear design capability is also a factor here. Aircraft design complexity plays a crucial role. Tailless configurations present significant control challenges, placing greater emphasis on canards and other control surfaces. The potential inclusion of canards in the NGAD design, if confirmed, would ignite the canard-versus-tail debate, particularly when compared to the GCAP project. Also It's possible that China possesses advanced design capabilities that allow for effective maneuverability in tailless aircraft without relying on canards. This highlights the numerous design considerations and areas for discussion surrounding these advanced aircraft. Lot's of things can be debated and that's what i was refering.

CAC was famous for it's aero dynamic design capability since the era of J10, both the chief designer of J20 and J36 were aero dynamic experts, 20 has 8 control surfaces and now 36 has 12 but no canard.

J50 with her movable wingtip and few more on the wing, it really shows both team has accumulated enormous experiences in this area.

 

[TopGun786]

you just kept going and going and we all knows why, now, mind if you could explain does canard comprised RCS, because NGAD does have canard.

I applaud J36 and J50's aerodynamic design.

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For years USA fan boys ridiculed J-20 canards quoting a major flaw in stealing. Irony is USA also adopted same design. Now same trolls will take a 180 degree turn
Also don't you people think USA's new so called 6th Generation fighter looks a lot like J-20. So is it safe for China now to blame USA for stealing their design??

 

[TopGun786]

@NGAD IS THE BEST
so your sole purpose is to proved NGAD is the best just like your ID right, in regards of everything, include its aero dynamic design.

The guy is always in disputes with other memebers. It is very hard to convince him and take him out of circles he is spinning in.