Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[lightning f57]

UAE may want J35 but its a big gamble by China then as India, US will definitely try to get info on it.

Also for the J35 to be truly effective the UAE needs procure Chinese radars, AWACS, CC and many other equipment. That is a big investment which would piss off the US and Trump. The UAE currently lack all of this.

Outside of Pak, likely customer i would rank in this order:

Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Algeria

 

[HH-9A]

I think, if anything, Indonesia, Thailand, KSA and Qatar would be more prime candidates if it was not Pakistan

KSA, Qatar are confirmed F35 buyers, US won’t allow their F35 buyers to procure another stealth fighter platform from China for obvious reasons. However, they may fund a third country to buy J35 instead of themselves.

Indonesia is in deep economic crisis currently and I don’t believe they have the appetite atm for a sophisticated but expensive next generation fighter.

No sign Thailand will swing to China, given they continue to buy western JAS39 fighters over J10C, despite Thai JAS39 lost to J10C completely during China Thai air exercises.

Thread 'Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft'

Dec 27, 2023

Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

• SiliconBit (silicon0000)
• Replies: 1,735
• Forum: Chinese Defence Forum

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https://defencepk.com/forums/attachments/1782652943421-png.203605/

As to which potential buyer of J35, this picture ( above link)in my view hints something: it says “ let the world know the advance of Chinese technology “, well, if this SAC technician travels to Pakistan who knows Chinese military technologies and capabilities very well, I don’t expect SAC would use this phrase to describe. More likely, this sac technician is traveling to a country that knows much less of Chinese military technologies & capabilities but relatively much more of other western modern military technologies.

That narrows down to either UAE, Egypt. Usually I don’t consider UAE as the buyer, given its close relationship to US and Israel, but since UAE denied F35 sales proposal from USA due to US request for remote control of all F35 to be sold to UAE, it remains possible UAE will buy J35, at least for the purposes of bargaining.

Egypt is also possible as its Air Force chief showed great interest in J35, and traveled to China for this less than 2 years ago.

 

[Michael]

AVIC released a short film today commemorating the 75th anniversary of SAC.

Sina Visitor System

The video contains many interesting details, which we'll have to uncover ourselves.

 

[Yasser76]

I totally agree with you on all points, but as I said, my gut tells me there’s actually more to it this time:

1. For the first time, China has a product for which there is a market.

2. ... and with which—after extensive preparation—it is venturing into the export market. (for the J-10CE the time was not yet right a few years ago, now it likely istoo)

3. Yes, this is a bold move for both China and the UAE.

4. As for the UAE, I am prepared to say that they are taking the plunge for the first time; the time is finally right for this truly radical departure from the status quo—a step that will greatly anger "Uncle Donald" and comes at a high cost.

Agree to disagree here

 

[Yasser76]

If it is UAE - you can nearly GUARANTEE that the US, Israel and by inference India will have access to everything they need to know about the aircraft.

Yeah, and the Chinese are aware of that fact too, which makes me think it is not UAE

 

[Yasser76]

KSA, Qatar are confirmed F35 buyers, US won’t allow their F35 buyers to procure another stealth fighter platform from China for obvious reasons. However, they may fund a third country to buy J35 instead of themselves.

Indonesia is in deep economic crisis currently and I don’t believe they have the appetite atm for a sophisticated but expensive next generation fighter.

No sign Thailand will swing to China, given they continue to buy western JAS39 fighters over J10C, despite Thai JAS39 lost to J10C completely during China Thai air exercises.

Thread 'Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft'

Dec 27, 2023

Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

• SiliconBit (silicon0000)
• Replies: 1,735
• Forum: Chinese Defence Forum

• 

https://defencepk.com/forums/attachments/1782652943421-png.203605/

As to which potential buyer of J35, this picture ( above link)in my view hints something: it says “ let the world know the advance of Chinese technology “, well, if this SAC technician travels to Pakistan who knows Chinese military technologies and capabilities very well, I don’t expect SAC would use this phrase to describe. More likely, this sac technician is traveling to a country that knows much less of Chinese military technologies & capabilities but relatively much more of other western modern military technologies.

That narrows down to either UAE, Egypt. Usually I don’t consider UAE as the buyer, given its close relationship to US and Israel, but since UAE denied F35 sales proposal from USA due to US request for remote control of all F35 to be sold to UAE, it remains possible UAE will buy J35, at least for the purposes of bargaining.

Egypt is also possible as its Air Force chief showed great interest in J35, and traveled to China for this less than 2 years ago.

Sorry but this post makes far too many assumptions, no matter how well any country knows Chinese equipment, it would need SAC staff for any J-35 buy. Just like Pakistgan would need Lockheed staff for any new version of F-16 it purchases. Egypt will not do anything to upset US at all

 

[Yasser76]

UAE may want J35 but its a big gamble by China then as India, US will definitely try to get info on it.

Also for the J35 to be truly effective the UAE needs procure Chinese radars, AWACS, CC and many other equipment. That is a big investment which would piss off the US and Trump. The UAE currently lack all of this.

Outside of Pak, likely customer i would rank in this order:

Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Algeria

Saudi and Algeria strong possibilities, although Algerians recently went for SU-57 no?

 

[Michael]

I think, if anything, Indonesia, Thailand, KSA and Qatar would be more prime candidates if it was not Pakistan

This is not a question that is suitable for in-depth discussion here.

Thanks, since it confirms my thought, a customer is likely confirmed, even if its identity not yet!

The official release of such a suggestive message indicates that an agreement has been reached, or negotiations have concluded. In other words, the matter is "confirmed."

But, who is the client? Following the usual practices of Chinese official institutions, this will likely not be fully disclosed until the formal delivery.

However, technical personnel will immediately travel to the client's country to handle related matters after the agreement is reached.

 

[Yasser76]

This is not a question that is suitable for in-depth discussion here.

The official release of such a suggestive message indicates that an agreement has been reached, or negotiations have concluded. In other words, the matter is "confirmed."

But, who is the client? Following the usual practices of Chinese official institutions, this will likely not be fully disclosed until the formal delivery.

However, technical personnel will immediately travel to the client's country to handle related matters after the agreement is reached.

I think it is Pakistan, not saying that out of a bias, but what with the jet mentioned by PAF CAS and even the PM tweeting about it last year (then quickly deleting tweet). No other country has hinted so heavily towards the J-35 as Pakistan has, and no other country operates front line Chinese jets at the moment

 

[Yasser76]

Interesting times we are living in

 

[lightning f57]

Saudi and Algeria strong possibilities, although Algerians recently went for SU-57 no?

I had them lowest in ranking because of their Russian purchases but they do have allot of Chinese equipment and there was rumors of J10C.