Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

[Jaeger]

Suffered massively in your delusional Indian mind. The US, UN and South Korean armies altogether that fought the Chinese army in the Korean war lost as many men as PLA if not more. Your Indian army was well prepared in 1962 to invade Chinese Tibet, what happened then ? Losers always like to defame their opponents. Yeah, you Indians always win at the keyboards while unable to win in battles.

No they did not.
Nope.

 

[LeGenD]

Yes, China was supporting Vietnam in the war. China was providing arms to Vietcong and also allowed Vietcong to recover and regroup in Chinese lands from time-to-time. This support was crucial to Vietcong as a fighting force and its survivability.

 

[LeGenD]

Suffered massively in your delusional Indian mind. The US, UN and South Korean armies altogether that fought the Chinese army in the Korean war lost as many men as PLA if not more. Your Indian army was well prepared in 1962 to invade Chinese Tibet, what happened then ? Losers always like to defame their opponents. Yeah, you Indians always win at the keyboards while unable to win in battles.

Korean War casualties statistics.

@Jaeger

How did China suffer massively against Vietnam? China trashed their country for invading cambodia and set their country back 20years with minimum casualities. That is 10x more then what Vietnam bargained for. You seem to not know real history and making up 'massive casualties' as you go along.

How the Sino-Vietnamese War Was Purposefully Forgotten

In both China and Vietnam, the governments have deliberately tried to bury memories of their 1979 war.

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China and Vietnam fought for control of Cambodia in 1979. Both sides suffered heavy losses in just a month but Vietnam maintained its grip on Cambodia. This is not surprising because Vietnam had a battle-hardened force that understood warfighting tactics well enough courtesy of the lessons learned from earlier conflicts. Vietnam also learned from the Chinese in earlier conflicts.

 

[Beijingwalker]

My logic is, that Chinese boast a lot about their martial prowess in retrospect, but whenever they have fought against a prepared enemy they have suffered massively. Be that against Vietnamese or the Americans.

LOl, you are so funny, is India a proper enemy? You are just humiliating yourself.

 

[Jaeger]

LOl, you are so funny, is India a proper enemy? You are just humiliating

India never considered China an enemy, until China launched its surprise invasion 1962.

Infact India was so sympathetic towards the Chinese,
India use to send its own aircrafts to ferry Chinese Premier.

And when there was an assination plot kill Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai by Kuomintang, on his way to Asian- African conference. It was Indian R &AW officers who uncovered and solved the case.

But yes, now India is a proper nuclear powered enemy.

The Indian master spy who solved the plot to kill Zhou Enlai

In 1955, when an aircraft supposed to fly the Chinese premier crashed, RN Kao, the first chief of R&AW, was called upon to crack the mystery

www.google.com

 

[Beijingwalker]

India never considered China an enemy, until China launched its surprise invasion 1962.

Infact India was so sympathetic towards the Chinese,
India use to send its own aircrafts to ferry Chinese Premier.

And when there was an assination plot kill Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai by Kuomintang, on his way to Asian- African conference. It was Indian R &AW officers who uncovered and solved the case.

But yes, now India is a proper nuclear powered enemy.

The Indian master spy who solved the plot to kill Zhou Enlai

In 1955, when an aircraft supposed to fly the Chinese premier crashed, RN Kao, the first chief of R&AW, was called upon to crack the mystery

www.google.com

You read too much of your crappy brainwashing media, China was very isolated back then and the last thing China wanted was another enemy, but India kept pushing, have you ever heard " Forward Policy"?

 

[Jaeger]

You read too much of your crappy brainwashing media, China was very isolated back then and the last thing China wanted was another enemy, but India kept pushing, have you ever heard " Forward Policy"?

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I know exactly what forward policy was.

Indian never put any soldiers on its border with Tibet till 1962.

In 1949 China started capturing Tibet by force of arms. India accepted Chinese claims over Tibet and refused Eisenhower's offer to support insurgency in Tibet to free Tibet.

By mid 1950s, Chinese refused to recognize Tibetan border with India. Refused to recognize McMahon Line

Sent it's troops to Aksai Chin and started building Tibet - Xingang highway passing throw Aksai Chin.

Indian forward policy was in response to Chinese stationing it's troops in Aksai Chin and across McMahon Line and building highway through Indian territory.

In 1962 India asked it army to start patrolling it's border with China, till India's claimed border and that was India's forward policy.

China launch its surprise invasion in response.

So yes, now you have an enemy in India.

 

[Beijingwalker]

I know exactly what forward policy was.

Indian never put any soldiers on its border with Tibet till 1962.

In 1949 China started capturing Tibet by force of arms. India accepted Chinese claims over Tibet and refused Eisenhower's offer to support insurgency in Tibet to free Tibet.

By mid 1950s, Chinese refused to recognize Tibetan border with India. Refused to recognize McMahon Line

Sent it's troops to Aksai Chin and started building Tibet - Xingang highway passing throw Aksai Chin.

Indian forward policy was in response to Chinese stationing it's troops in Aksai Chin and across McMahon Line and building highway through Indian territory.

In 1962 India asked it army to start patrolling it's border with China, till India's claimed border and that was India's forward policy.

China launch its surprise invasion in response.

So yes, now you have an enemy in India.

You really know nothing, forward policy put Indian soliders even north of the so called McMahon Line, even you government admitted it. and Tibet and Xinjiang, which country recognized their independence? not even one country in this world, and India hosts Tibet so called exile government, a direct challenge to China's sovereignty.
You territorial claim is based on a map drawn by the world worst colonial power Britain, which automatically loses all its credibility.

 

[Zsari]

Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the Peoples Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict.

This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the heroic struggle against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Ellemans Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences.

However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.

China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

Mao's biggest strategic mistake.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Not only fighting against US, but also France

Vietnamese girl goes to a Chinese PLA cemetery in Vietnam to clean the tombs and pay respect to the 104 fallen Chinese PLA heros who helped Vietnam fighting in the Battle of Dien Bien Phu against French colonialists

 

[Beijingwalker]

Vietnamese girl goes to a PLA cemetery in Vietnam to pay respect to the fallen PLA heros who helped Vietnam fight US agressors

 

[Beijingwalker]

Vietnamese girls go to a PLA cemetery in Vietnam to pay respect to and sing for the fallen PLA heros who helped Vietnam fight US agressors

 

[Beijingwalker]

PLA cemetaries are everywhere in Vietnam

 

[Jaeger]

You really know nothing, forward policy put Indian soliders even north of the so called McMahon Line, even you government admitted it. and Tibet and Xinjiang, which country recognized their independence? not even one country in this world, and India hosts Tibet so called exile government, a direct challenge to China's sovereignty.
You territorial claim is based on a map drawn by the world worst colonial power Britain, which automatically loses all its credibility.

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1. Post the links of your claims here. Do not post screenshots, who's content can not be seen.

2. US had offered India resources and material to support insurgency in Tibet, so that PLA could be driven out of there.

CIA ran a long campaign from 57 to 69 to help Tibetan independence movement. It failed only because India refused to support any insurgency China.

The CIA in Tibet, 1957 -1969 | Small Wars Journal

As tensions rise between mainland China and Taiwan once again, it is worth remembering a vic-tim of China’s previous expansionist actions. Tibet, labeled as “the orphan of the Cold War,” has repeatedly been forgotten on the world stage since its annexation in 1950. Similarly forgotten are the...

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India gave refuge to Dalai Lama and Tibetan refugees on humanitarian ground. As they were fleeing the boots of Chinese communists.

Never were they allowed to use India territory to cause subversive activities in China.

Indian territorial maps are based on agreement between Britain and Tibetan government. As India is a successor state.

Just like how Pakistan's Durand line is based on agreement between British and then Afghan government.

Do you guys also refuse recognize the Durand Line as border between Pakistan and Afghanistan?

P.S. what are your territorial claims based on , CCP's imagination?

 

[ety]

1. Post the links of your claims here. Do not post screenshots, who's content can not be seen.

2. US had offered India resources and material to support insurgency in Tibet, so that PLA could be driven out of there.

CIA ran a long campaign from 57 to 69 to help Tibetan independence movement. It failed only because India refused to support any insurgency China.

The CIA in Tibet, 1957 -1969 | Small Wars Journal

As tensions rise between mainland China and Taiwan once again, it is worth remembering a vic-tim of China’s previous expansionist actions. Tibet, labeled as “the orphan of the Cold War,” has repeatedly been forgotten on the world stage since its annexation in 1950. Similarly forgotten are the...

smallwarsjournal.com

India gave refuge to Dalai Lama and Tibetan refugees on humanitarian ground. As they were fleeing the boots of Chinese communists.

Never were they allowed to use India territory to cause subversive activities in China.

Indian territorial maps are based on agreement between Britain and Tibetan government. As India is a successor state.

Just like how Pakistan's Durand line is based on agreement between British and then Afghan government.

Do you guys also refuse recognize the Durand Line as border between Pakistan and Afghanistan?

P.S. what are your territorial claims based on , CCP's imagination?

Oh, suddenly, India saved China from Tibet separation in the 50s and 60s, what a joke. Tibet was a region of China and it had no right to sign any border treaty with Bitain, even Tibetan local gov refused to accept the negotiation results between them because Chinese central gov didnt not accepte the negotiation as valid too.