Dear Irani friends let's say the final words

[sutton9999]

Egyptians and Pakistanis unfortunately do not have the resources that Iranians have
1. World's third largest oil reserves
2. World's second largest gas reserves
3. World's third largest helium reserves
Only to name a few.

Iran is more like Saudi Arabia and Russia in terms of energy resources. I don't mention Qatar or the Emirates because of huge population difference.

Also, Iran is nearly 80% urbanized while Egypt and Pakistan are about 40% urbanized. So, our economy can benefit greatly from cooperation with the US in the technology sector.

Western bloc slave: Saudi Arabia
Eastern bloc slave: Venezuela
Both are energy super powers. Who lives better?

Iranians like you really make me sick. If Venezuela and the United States reach a settlement agreement tomorrow, there will be no interference from China. Just because you are sanctioned by the United States and China continues to trade with you, do you become a slave?

 

[maverick]

Iran said no Nuclear Weapon and signed the agreement . Orange Man Trump tore up the agreement. Just ask threatening Bully Trump why cant Iran have a nuclear bomb? Sadly I personally think this attack will happen and Iran needs to be prepared for a double cross!

if they dont, they are royally Effed .. look what happened to iraq after nuke material taken away, libya after nuke tech shared taken away and syria after chemical weapons taken away, all royally Effed

 

[GatlingGun]

Why are you inviting outsiders in your not so pleasant block party ?

His tagging list is gettting longer and longer like old WhatsApp forwarding chicha.

 

[Lulldapull]

Why are you inviting outsiders in your not so pleasant block party ?

Cuz theres a special convert discount on right now........

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't, but that it somehow would have "paved the way" for a bomb sometime down the road.. was what everyone who opposed it was screaming their lungs out about.

in reality Israel opposed the deal because Israel only wants Libya style total destruction of all Iranian nuclear facilities

though it is true the JCPOA had certain 'sunset clauses' that expired after 10-25 years but many of its other clauses were permanent too

that was the balance between Iran's legal right to enrich uranium and the need to build confidence

 

[ShapurII]

Iranians like you really make me sick. If Venezuela and the United States reach a settlement agreement tomorrow, there will be no interference from China. Just because you are sanctioned by the United States and China continues to trade with you, do you become a slave?

China doesn't "continue to trade" with Iran normally.
All Chinese major companies betrayed Iran when the US pulled out of the JCPOA.
China even officially pulled out of the reconstruction of the IR-40 reactor even though China was obligated to be a part of it in the JCPOA (a treaty passed as a UNSC resolution).

There is no concept of alliance in the Eastern bloc.

China sees US sanctions on Iran as an opportunity to maximize her benefits by putting Iran in a weaker position.

 

[sutton9999]

China doesn't "continue to trade" with Iran normally.
All Chinese major companies betrayed Iran when the US pulled out of the JCPOA.
China even officially pulled out of the reconstruction of the IR-40 reactor even though China was obligated to be a part of it in the JCPOA (a treaty passed as a UNSC resolution).

There is no concept of alliance in the Eastern bloc.

China sees US sanctions on Iran as an opportunity to maximize her benefits by putting Iran in a weaker position.

How could you describe this as betrayal? If said company continues to do business, such as Huawei once was using a shell company. It will be sanctioned as well. A lot of big Chinese companies don't do business in Russia for the same reason.

How could you paint such things as betrayal and slavery? You are self-centred and ridiculous.

 

[ShapurII]

How could you describe this as betrayal? If said company continues to do business, such as Huawei once was using a shell company. It will be sanctioned as well. A lot of big Chinese companies don't do business in Russia for the same reason.

How could you paint such things as betrayal and slavery? You are self-centred and ridiculous.

How is this a betrayal if you failed to fulfill your signed contracts and failed to honor your legal obligations because of US secondary sanctions that are non-binding for other countries? Are you seriously this stupid?

 

[mythbuster]

How is this a betrayal if you failed to fulfill your signed contracts and failed to honor your legal obligations because of US secondary sanctions that are non-binding for other countries? Are you seriously this stupid?

No betrayal here.....it all boils down to realpolitik , neither china nor Russia want to see a nuclear armed Iran near to long-term future......why would china jeopardize her long-term vision of the world for Iran ?

 

[sutton9999]

How is this a betrayal if you failed to fulfill your signed contracts and failed to honor your legal obligations because of US secondary sanctions that are non-binding for other countries? Are you seriously this stupid?

Have you read the terms of the contract?

For example, if Huawei uses any American chips in its system.When sanctions come, if the contract is not suspended, then Huawei will violate U.S. laws and will be sanctioned and blocked. Do you think that in this case, the contract must be completed? Do you think that there is no clause in the commercial contract with Iran to prevent this situation?

 

[mythbuster]

Have you read the terms of the contract?

For example, if Huawei uses any American chips in its system.When sanctions come, if the contract is not suspended, then Huawei will violate U.S. laws and will be sanctioned and blocked. Do you think that in this case, the contract must be completed? Do you think that there is no clause in the commercial contract with Iran to prevent this situation?

It's called force de mageur

 

[indushek]

in reality Israel opposed the deal because Israel only wants Libya style total destruction of all Iranian nuclear facilities

though it is true the JCPOA had certain 'sunset clauses' that expired after 10-25 years but many of its other clauses were permanent too

that was the balance between Iran's legal right to enrich uranium and the need to build confidence

By now even the lowest educated knows that, people in power look for ways to stay there (irrespective of country, color, race, ethnicity, religion etc... etc...etc...).

How far do you think, the Ayatollahs and IRGC will look towards an agreement even if its armistice of sorts?

'Loony Trump' isn't that loony as it would seem, he is just playing the game board as it was set by others.

 

[Kyussis]

LOL .... Come out of the cave and read the history.

Iran's #1 enemy is US, not Israel. Read on wikipedia what Iranians did to US Embassy in 1979.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/supreme-leader-khamenei-says-us-is-irans-number-one-enemy-idUSKBN1D211H/

Israel is just a punching bag - A proxy that Iran hits because it cannot touch US .

The real war WAS and even today is between Iran and US.

Try reading about what the U.S did to Iran in 1953. If you are going to talk about history , it would help if you actually knew some history!

 

[ShapurII]

Have you read the terms of the contract?

For example, if Huawei uses any American chips in its system.When sanctions come, if the contract is not suspended, then Huawei will violate U.S. laws and will be sanctioned and blocked. Do you think that in this case, the contract must be completed? Do you think that there is no clause in the commercial contract with Iran to prevent this situation?

Huawei itself has been sanctioned by the US and the UK as a threat to national security. It was in 2018 or 2019 if my memory serves me well. Did that improve the presence of Huawei in Iran? No.

As an Iranian, I would be more than happy to work with the Chinese. It's not like people in Iran has any sort of ill will towards China. But the history of cooperation with the Chinese shows that they are unreliable as partners for the same reason you said. And it's not only electronics. It has happened time and time again in different sectors. Even in the construction of the Tehran metro back in early 2000s.

I don't know about any such clause by the way. When we sign a contract with China, we want to see China as an independent country that makes her own decisions, not as a country that the US can manipulate in any way they see fit. If we wanted our deals to be compliant with the US laws, we would've signed our deals with American companies.

 

[MH.Yang]

Huawei itself has been sanctioned by the US and the UK as a threat to national security. It was in 2018 or 2019 if my memory serves me well. Did that improve the presence of Huawei in Iran? No.

As an Iranian, I would be more than happy to work with the Chinese. It's not like people in Iran has any sort of ill will towards China. But the history of cooperation with the Chinese shows that they are unreliable as partners for the same reason you said. And it's not only electronics. It has happened time and time again in different sectors. Even in the construction of the Tehran metro back in early 2000s.

I don't know about any such clause by the way. When we sign a contract with China, we want to see China as an independent country that makes her own decisions, not as a country that the US can manipulate in any way they see fit. If we wanted our deals to be compliant with the US laws, we would've signed our deals with American companies.

The woman's name is Liu Baoxia, a Chinese citizen. 2025 The FBI is offering a $15 million reward for her arrest. She has now lost all her assets in the West and is unable to leave China.

Do you know why she's wanted? She sold electronics containing American technology to Iran.

Do you know who sold her information? Your Iranian partner company!

Why do I say that China is unlikely to intervene until Iran shows the courage to resist. Because Iran has serious internal problems and too many traitors.