DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

[lightning f57]

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China is closing in fast with a tenth of the spending.

This will bankrupt the American AI companies if China catches up and offers much cheaper cost per token. Then I can see US government stepping in and fully banning open and closes Chinese models.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This will bankrupt the American AI companies if China catches up and offers much cheaper cost per token. Then I can see US government stepping in and fully banning open and closes Chinese models.

Many American companies are now secretly running on the Chinese AI models, because they cannot afford the cost per toke from the US frontier models either.

The US is simply running their entire AI ecosystem into a dead end.

 

[ChillVein]

I Find it hilarious that all of the leading ai labs have a significant % researchers being Chinese nationals and everyone is shocked China is good at ai research as well

 

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I tried fabled with a very complex piece of work and it failed. I havnt tried Kimi K3, might need to. I found SOL much better than fabled but so far that hasn't cracked this nut either.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This will bankrupt the American AI companies if China catches up and offers much cheaper cost per token. Then I can see US government stepping in and fully banning open and closes Chinese models.

Right now - the US stock market is basically an Ai bubble, and this type of news could pop that bubble. When that happens, with the combined effects of the fallout of the Iranian war, the USA could well head into a recession, if not an outright depression.

Ai is here to stay, though the economic model and valuations around it make no sense. The whole concept of centralized providers selling tokens for this is a model that will be tested severely, infavour of local deployments. There is no way, that the model of tokens as a service will survive given the costs involved for organizations.

 

[lightning f57]

Right now - the US stock market is basically an Ai bubble, and this type of news could pop that bubble. When that happens, with the combined effects of the fallout of the Iranian war, the USA could well head into a recession, if not an outright depression.

Ai is here to stay, though the economic model and valuations around it make no sense. The whole concept of centralized providers selling tokens for this is a model that will be tested severely, infavour of local deployments. There is no way, that the model of tokens as a service will survive given the costs involved for organizations.

For coding Qwens open source model 3.6 27B can run on a reasonably powerful PC, I have it on mine and its good for coding tasks but you have to have greater involvement and control with the work. Now compare this to frontier models which have trillions of parameters you would think its pointless, but for developers many are using frontier models to help with designing architecture and building the overall plan and this open source model to do the grunt of the work which drops costs massively, as open source models are free or super cheap!

If Chinese companies continue to push out these kind of models you can self host which can do 80% of what you want then its game over for the bottom line of the closed AI companies.