DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

"May" not be... It just gives a balanced unbiased account for all sources but refuses to take a stand on it, unlike its western counterpart putting much effort in telling unsupported lies as facts.

So your Xinjiang PDF threads about how everything is perfectly okay (and anything counter to it is just Western lies) may be heavily biased...since you claim if DeepSeek took a position it would be biased. :unsure:

The best thing the Chinese DeepSeek AI can bring to the table is pointing out disparities which are officially denied...even if it is afraid of commenting on it.

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Guys - it may upset you or raise your blood pressure but we would appreciate if you could discuss the topic and not get personal or off topic
 
World fastest HSR, EV, sixth generation jet fighter, DeepSeek... I think they are just the start.

We will heard many more shocking news from China.
 
Room to grow



No one saying that you goblin, how can they be in decline when they are arguably ahead lol

However, after all your uncompromising praise of the Indian worker, Indian genius, the inevitability of Indian superiority your press is only left feeling salty and empty....oh what about tiananmen 🙄
What on earth are you even rambling about, you absolute retard? What does the H1B issue have to do with this?

You Pakistanis seem so desperate for some source of pride that you've latched onto Chinese achievements.
 
What on earth are you even rambling about, you absolute retard? What does the H1B issue have to do with this?

You Pakistanis seem so desperate for some source of pride that you've latched onto Chinese achievements.

Pls don’t use foul language!

What he is saying is that - west tech sector is weakening because it is reliant on cheap H1-B visa recruits.

Whereas China powers ahead without H1-B and mass immigration.

Furthermore, the idea that you can be efficient through crude cost cutting is a fallacy.

Silicon Valley spent 1000 times more for an inferior product!

Look at the deteriorating quality in Boeng.

You cannot ignore data!

@UKBengali
@Dalit
@Musings

@r3alist
 
Pls don’t use foul language!

What he is saying is that - west tech sector is weakening because it is reliant on cheap H1-B visa recruits.

Whereas China powers ahead without H1-B and mass immigration.

Furthermore, the idea that you can be efficient through crude cost cutting is a fallacy.

Silicon Valley spent 1000 times more for an inferior product!

Look at the deteriorating quality in Boeng.

You cannot ignore data!

@UKBengali
@Dalit
@Musings

@r3alist
there is way to put across that point, where were you guys when he called me a 'goblin' in the first place
 
there is way to put across that point, where were you guys when he called me a 'goblin' in the first place

Fair enough!

But goblin is a hilarious term.

Whereas retard is actually offensive. As it has historic connotations.

Use an equally hilarious put down - might actually make us laugh lol
 

The other AI models showing China could overtake The US in the artificial intelligence race​

Story by Zen Soo
Jan.28 2025

The Chinese artificial intelligence firm DeepSeek has rattled markets with claims that its latest AI model, R1, performs on a par with those of OpenAI, despite using less advanced computer chips and consuming less energy.

DeepSeek’s emergence has raised concerns that China may have overtaken the U.S. in the artificial intelligence race despite restrictions on its access to the most advanced chips. It's just one of many Chinese companies working on AI, with a goal of making China the world leader in the field by 2030 and besting the U.S. in their battle for technological supremacy.

Like the U.S., China is investing billions into artificial intelligence. Last week, it created a 60 billion yuan ($8.2 billion) AI investment fund, days after the U.S. imposed fresh chip export restrictions.

Beijing has also invested heavily in the semiconductor industry to build its capacity to make advanced computer chips, working to overcome limits on its access to those of industry leaders. Companies are offering talent programs and subsidies, and there are plans to open AI academies and introduce AI education into primary and secondary school curriculums.


DeepSeek logo is seen on a phone in front of a flag of China (Getty Images)

DeepSeek logo is seen on a phone in front of a flag of China (Getty Images)

China has established regulations governing AI, addressing safety, privacy and ethics. Its ruling Communist Party also controls the kinds of topics the AI models can tackle: DeepSeek shapes its responses to fit those limits.

Here's an overview of some other leading AI models in China.

Alibaba Cloud’s Qwen-2.5-1M​

Alibaba Cloud’s Qwen-2.5-1M is the e-commerce giant's open-source AI series. It contains large language models that can easily handle extremely long questions, and engage in longer and deeper conversations. Its ability to understand complex tasks such as reasoning, dialogues and comprehending code is improving.

Like its rivals, Alibaba Cloud has a chatbot released for public use called Qwen - also known as Tongyi Qianwen in China. Alibaba Cloud’s suite of AI models, such as the Qwen2.5 series, has mostly been deployed for developers and business customers such as automakers, banks, video game makers and retailers as part of product development and shaping customer experiences.

Baidu's Ernie Bot 4.0​

Ernie Bot, developed by Baidu, China’s dominant search engine, was the first AI chatbot made publicly available in China. Baidu said it released the model publicly to be able to collect massive real-world human feedback to build its capacity.

Ernie Bot 4.0 had more than 300 million users as of June 2024. Similar to OpenAI's ChatGPT, users of Ernie Bot are able to ask it questions and have it generate images based on text prompts.

ByteDance's Doubao 1.5 Pro​

Doubao 1.5 Pro is an AI model released by TikTok's parent company ByteDance last week. Doubao is currently one of the most popular AI chatbots in China, with 60 million monthly active users.

ByteDance says the Doubao 1.5 Pro is better than ChatGPT-4o at retaining knowledge, coding, reasoning, and Chinese language processing. According to ByteDance, the model is also cost-efficient and requires lower hardware costs compared to other large language models because Doubao uses a highly-optimized architecture that balances performance with reduced computational demands.

Moonshot AI's Kimi k1.5​

Moonshot AI is a Beijing-based startup valued at over $3 billion after its latest fundraising round. It says its recently released Kimi k1.5 matches or outperforms the OpenAI o1 model, which is designed to spend more time thinking before it responds and can solve harder and more complex problems. Moonshot claims that Kimi outperforms OpenAI o1 in mathematics, coding, and ability to comprehend both text and visual inputs such as photos and video.
 
Competition makes better and cheaper products, like BYD and Huawei are just two among dozens of equally good manufacturers in their respective industries.
 
Anyone who swaps their gold for the Zionists’ new Ponzi scheme is a certifiable idiot!!
Big Tech, Rothschild, Soros, Musk and other billionaire cia puppets are into promoting and buying bitcoin. bitcoin is promoted in the Zionist financial media such as bloomberg and cnbc. It is promoted on wall street. It is promoted by the SEC. When the federal reserve lowered interest rates, bloomberg tv and cnbc tv both purposefully covered bitcoin as your inflation hedge investment to invent bitcoin as the gold replacement as the fed prints more money.

The whole anglo-zionist financial structure is into promoting the success of bitcoin to defeat gold.

If China submits to trump, musk and bitcoin, then China is on team Washington. The same thing happened to the tea party movement in America. It used to be for gold and was against Washington. Then it went to bitcoin, musk and trump; and these former tea party members are the voting base of the rebranded cia Republican Party to promote the American economic empire backed by the cia using trump and bitcoin.

Here is a screenshot of the panic from CNN on DeepSeek. And this is a drop in the bucket of what China can do to destroy the USA empire.

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DeepSeek is a drop of water. Going to a gold-backed yuan and getting many nations to follow China, especially in Latin America and Asia would be an ocean of drops of water to finish off the US dollar empire and the cia.

That is the reason Trump is moving so quickly to have bitcoin end the chance gold has to destroy the US dollar empire and have bitcoin establish new bitcoin maga feudal lords over the nations worth trillions of dollars.

Once bitcoin replaces gold, the war against the cia is lost, no battle can be won by China to defeat the US. It was easy from 2008 to 2024 to go to a gold-backed yuan and watch the collapse of the cia and watch the collapse of their cia Washington dollar empire.

Trump is trying to prevent that from happening.
 
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Big Tech, Rothschild, Soros, Musk and other billionaire cia puppets are into promoting and buying bitcoin. bitcoin is promoted in the Zionist financial media such as bloomberg and cnbc. It is promoted on wall street. When the federal reserve lowered interest rates, bloomberg tv and cnbc tv both purposefully covered bitcoin as your inflation hedge investment to invent bitcoin as the gold replacement as the fed prints more money.

The whole anglo-zionist financial structure is into promoting the success of bitcoin to defeat gold.

If China submits to trump, musk and bitcoin, then China is on team Washington. The same thing happened to the tea party movement in America. It used to be for gold and was against Washington. Then it went to bitcoin, musk and trump; and these former tea party members are the voting base of the rebranded cia Republican Party to promote the American economic empire backed by the cia using trump and bitcoin.

Here is a screenshot of the panic from CNN on DeepSeek. And this is a drop in the bucket of what China can do to destroy the USA.

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DeepSeek is a drop of water. Going to a gold-backed yuan and getting many nations to follow China, especially in Latin America and Asia would be an oceans of drops of waters to finish off the US dollar empire and the cia.

That is the reason Trump is moving so quickly to have bitcoin end the chance gold has to destroy the US dollar empire and have bitcoin establish new bitcoin maga feudal lords over the nations worth trillions of dollars.

Once bitcoin replaces gold, the war against the cia is lost, no battle can be won by China to defeat the US. It was easy from 2008 to 2024 to go to a gold-backed yuan and watch the collapse of the cia and watch the collapse of their cia Washington dollar empire.

Trump is trying to prevent that from happening.

Bitcoin is a double edged sword for America.

It’s something the USA
Cannot control.

Cannot print it to live beyond their means.

It will be hijacked by drug cartels - allowing all of Americas enemies to move money freely.

No more controlling enemies through financial sanctions lol
 
Bitcoin is a double edged sword for America.

It’s something the USA
Cannot control.

Cannot print it to live beyond their means.

It will be hijacked by drug cartels - allowing all of Americas enemies to move money freely.

No more controlling enemies through financial sanctions lol
The endgame of MAGA is bitcoin to replace the dollar. Either a bitcoin backed dollar or bitcoin replacing the dollar.

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The Ron Paulers were taking out the neocons deep state, so Trump, a billionaire deep stater with ties to Kissinger, Epstein, Roy Cohn and other cia spooks took over the populists and made Obama and the Democrats the enemy. MAGA got early in on the pyramid scheme bitcoin, so MAGA turn into billionaires when bitcoin replaces the dollar or backs the dollar, as is the Trump plan for the second stay in the WH.

A quick lesson.

Many Republicans stayed away from Epstein because the Republicans believed Epstein was a mossad operation to get blackmail on american politicians. Meaning many believe Epstein was connected to mossad, cia, and likely the mi6.

Trump mentor Roy Cohn worked for McCarthy and believed the crooks should be running Washington and politics.

Republican Kissinger was the deep state for decades, nearly equal to the Republican cia later led by the Republican Bush Family.

bitcoin was invented in 2008 after the financial collapse and the threat of bank runs and a dollar collapse and the threat of replacing the dollar with gold and silver as money. (This is why the central banks own thousands of tons of gold, to back their paper currencies - backed by only confidence - during monetary collapse, as silver and gold were money for over 2000 years and before that the wealth of kings)

bitcoin/crypto drew trillions of dollars out of the precious metal investing to crypto, thus suppressing the price of gold and silver for decades (2000s, 2010s, 2020s). The banks also engage in suppressing the price of gold and silver, short selling to keep the dollar to appear strong.

Increases in the price of gold and silver, signal lack of confidence in the dollar, as the global reserve currency.

"Satoshi Nakamoto" translates to central intelligence in Japanese. Though the cia probably are going to promote a fake story with an actor claiming to have invented bitcoin. If maga learn the identity of the person behind bitcoin (the cia), a former cia employee said "bitcoin would go to zero". So the Republican Party promote the fake narrative about bitcoin being about freedom, when it is about the select few owning the globe.

gold is the enemy of the cia/Republicans/Washington. bitcoin is the planned replacement of gold. To go to bitcoin when Trump stages the dollar collapse, not to go back to traditional money of gold and silver backed currencies.

So it is obvious that Trump is the Republican deepstate re-branded and with a new mission. As most Republicans have agreed to reject the failing neocons and join MAGA. After two failed elections in 2008 and 2012, Republicans, including Christian Zionist Murdock agreed to promote MAGA as the new deep state Republican brand.

Elmo is the nearly the replacement of NASA, nearly on par with NASA and NASA is a big Washington project.

The billionaire big tech surveillance promoters are behind Trump and Trump was part of the deep state since the 1970s.

So then there has to be the reason for Trump to want to replace dollars with bitcoins or bitcoin backed dollars.

See the post above. It makes sense. It is the new agenda of Republicans. bitcoin packaged as billionaire fake populism. Because those that knew about the plan are big holders of bitcoin, got in when bitcoin was pennies and dollars.

Trump is terraforming America to survive a bitcoin apocalypse. Firstly with trade wars - high exports/low imports - bitcoin flows into America, does not exit America as Trump plans to have trade surpluses. Trump wants to get rid of FEMA funding, medicaid, and many other programs to not have budget deficits, so bitcoin flows into Washington.
 

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